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Post by roi2020 on Sept 20, 2022 21:47:47 GMT
I plan to take my 2nd booster shot in October, but this bivalent shot has not been tested in humans, only in mice, and has no optimal effect. Here's an epidemiologist's take on BA.5 bivalent booster vaccines:
"The U.S. originally planned for a BA.1 bivalent booster, so we have a lot of data for this. But Omicron keeps changing remarkably fast. So, the FDA choose to use a BA.5 formula this fall to better 'match' the circulating virus. (Notice, this is different approach than what the WHO recommended and what Europe is rolling out—a BA.1 booster.) Because BA.5 is new, we haven’t had time to analyze it in humans; we have to rely on mice data. This is the typical approach for the annual flu vaccine. It’s not perfect, but does work as a good proxy."
"So, there is the key tradeoff:
- Have an updated booster that matches the circulating variant the best we can, but rely on animal studies OR
- Require human data for updated vaccines, but always severely lag whatever variant is circulating."
"Pfizer and Moderna are starting the human trials this month.
We will, of course, follow the real-world data, too. But demanding an effective vaccine and clinical data is simply a fantasy against this rapidly changing virus. There is absolutely no reason why safety would be any different than with vaccines based on previous variants, either."
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Post by bb2 on Sept 22, 2022 20:43:45 GMT
Talked to my unvaxxed friend again this am, who's likely had covid twice; once in winter '20 and again a month ago. (He's a mechanic at my golf club.) Guy's miserable. Headache, joint pain. Chest pain. Looks like hell. For all I know it's mental but his situation scares me. N95 for me around people from now on again.
Had my updated booster a couple days ago. Only side was a swollen arm pit. No fever. Maybe some slight aches but nothing much.
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Post by johnsmith on Sept 23, 2022 1:12:01 GMT
Just a FYI
it's smart to get the booster shot;
at the same time, be aware that without all the other non-medical precautions like - social distancing, mask wearing etc, there is always a possibility to get COVID because the newer variants are very very good at escaping immunity.
Getting infected with a new variant, doesn't provide much immunity.
And covid is not a flu - mild, bad or otherwise.
It's a vascular disease that attacks the whole body and most of the major organs. The more times that one gets infected with COVID, the more the cumulative damage and therefore an increased chance of - diabetes, long covid, brain fog, heart issues, brain damage/strokes and the list continues (it's a really long list).
Please, try actively not to get Covid.
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Post by steadyeddy on Sept 23, 2022 12:05:47 GMT
Just a FYI
it's smart to get the booster shot;
at the same time, be aware that without all the other non-medical precautions like - social distancing, mask wearing etc, there is always a possibility to get COVID because the newer variants are very very good at escaping immunity.
Getting infected with a new variant, doesn't provide much immunity.
And covid is not a flu - mild, bad or otherwise.
It's a vascular disease that attacks the whole body and most of the major organs. The more times that one gets infected with COVID, the more the cumulative damage and therefore an increased chance of - diabetes, long covid, brain fog, heart issues, brain damage/strokes and the list continues (it's a really long list).
Please, try actively not to get Covid.
Excellent advice, johnsmith.
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Post by johnsmith on Sept 23, 2022 14:24:34 GMT
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Post by Norbert on Sept 23, 2022 17:34:59 GMT
I'm not worried about Omicron! Have had it twice already and it's no big deal. Vaccinations? That's for the weak. Have no worries about the symptoms, they're just trying to scare us. "Brain fog"? How silly. I'm sure the 49ers will have a great season. The market will be fine. Wait. What were we talking about? I think I'll have another drink.
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Post by steadyeddy on Sept 24, 2022 1:27:34 GMT
I'm not worried about Omicron! Have had it twice already and it's no big deal. Vaccinations? That's for the weak. Have no worries about the symptoms, they're just trying to scare us. "Brain fog"? How silly. I'm sure the 49ers will have a great season. The market will be fine. Wait. What were we talking about? I think I'll have another drink. Drink cures everything else.....🤣
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Omicron
Sept 24, 2022 2:25:40 GMT
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Post by Chahta on Sept 24, 2022 2:25:40 GMT
I cannot believe anyone is talking about masks.
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Post by johnsmith on Sept 24, 2022 15:08:33 GMT
I cannot believe anyone is talking about masks.
Why?
For everyone else:
scroll down a bit to read covid research.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 15:25:04 GMT
I cannot believe anyone is talking about masks.
Why?
For everyone else:
scroll down a bit to read covid research.
That website seems like a congested mess of topics.
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Omicron
Sept 24, 2022 16:00:17 GMT
via mobile
Post by Chahta on Sept 24, 2022 16:00:17 GMT
Why?
For everyone else:
scroll down a bit to read covid research.
That website seems like a congested mess of topics. +1 Naked Capitalism?
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