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Post by richardsok on Aug 16, 2021 18:05:14 GMT
If vaccines are effective, why should we nevertheless continue to wear masks?
Trust the good ol' WSJ to finally give a simple and clear explanation. In third-grade terms, a vaccine is (mostly) effective in preventing a serious INTERNAL infection from taking hold. But from the simple act of unmasked breathing, you still can collect living virus spores onto your mucus membrane.
Wearing a mask can reduce the number of spores you may collect and will also prevent you from breathing those spores onto others. While a vaxxed person will probably not develop a serious case of Covid, s/he can still infect others.
Ergo, getting vaxxed and wearing a mask is self-protection and good citizenship.
Here's an excerpt from the article:
....There’s more than one kind of immunity. Internal immunity protects the inside of the body, including the lungs. This occurs by release of antibodies of the Immunoglobulin G type, or IgG, into the blood and production of T-cells. Vaccines injected into our muscles are highly effective at stimulating internal immunity. This largely protects vaccinated people from being overwhelmed by the coronavirus, unless they have an immunodeficiency or are exposed to an unusually large amount of the virus. Vaccination will dramatically reduce your likelihood of serious illness or death if you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2.
In contrast, mucosal immunity provides the first line of defense by protecting the nose and mouth, and by doing so also reduces spread to others. The mucous membranes secrete a particular form of antibodies of the Immunoglobulin A type, or IgA. But vaccines injected into our muscles—including all the approved inoculations against Covid—are largely ineffective at stimulating the secretion of IgA into our noses that occurs after actual infection with a virus. As a result, vaccinated people can contract a Covid-19 infection confined to the mucous membranes. They may get the sniffles but can spread the virus to others even if they are asymptomatic. That’s why it makes sense for them to wear a mask under some circumstances.
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Post by paulr888 on Aug 16, 2021 18:35:03 GMT
"Not spending down" to me means having enough automatic income (SS, pension, rental income etc) coming in to cover all expenses and not having to touch retirement savings. Otherwise we are all spending down whether it is income from CEFs or income from selling portfolio holdings. There is no free lunch being an income centric investor living off portfolio distributions. And I am an income centric investor.
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Post by Capital on Aug 17, 2021 0:18:56 GMT
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Post by Chahta on Aug 17, 2021 2:14:24 GMT
This is the first article quoted I can remember seeing that said masks were protecting the wearer. All along it was said to protect others. I read an article stating the CDC has found that vaxed and unvaxed people spread Covid equally. The lack of mucosal immunity sounds like a reason vaxed people can spread Covid. But from the start it was known that vaccines were to protect those injected folks.
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Post by racqueteer on Aug 17, 2021 13:48:32 GMT
I read an article stating the CDC has found that vaxed and unvaxed people spread Covid equally. I'd like to look at that article; have you a reference to it? I've not seen anything that suggested "equal" spreading. I HAVE seen articles indicating that, just as a mask wearer can become infected, they can then re-transmit... But... I've ALSO seen articles (often the same one), indicating that the RATE of transmission is greatly reduced because the vaxxed are less likely to become heavily infected - so, NOT "equal" at all. Anyway, your comment requires some clarification. |
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Post by Chahta on Aug 17, 2021 14:08:45 GMT
raq, no I don't. It was quoted in the OP. I am interested too. I had this sent to me. Not much new but in England they are seeing current hospitalizations of vaxed folks at 30%. We don't get that info here, I believe, so unvaxed will consider getting vaxed. l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gov.uk%2Fgovernment%2Fnews%2Freact-study-shows-fully-vaccinated-are-three-times-less-likely-to-be-infected%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0GE7Ngqg4mp3AtinFnsQ3WDlYZ5pKsx-6vXuQnM-akB5TcJ4KGUHgE8Dw&h=AT1BnhApEMWWf1jJI2W7jd0nWpydQipTsMNgNt2AoVzqoYWfKxFcXXsyvgL6UCaJFbAAGGg0xDQ9H7dL9stTAF0pa_Chuw5E_caXX0Ntc17Y48icC4VoSJ2zzT4pneEKVTHHtgScroll down to see admission numbers. "PHE hospitalisation data shows that between 21 June and 19 July, 1,788 people were admitted to hospital after testing positive for the Delta variant. Of these, 970 (54.3%) were unvaccinated, while 530 (29.6%) had received both doses of the vaccine. In total, 3,692 people have been hospitalised with the delta variant, of whom 2,152 (58.3%) were unvaccinated and 843 (22.8%) were fully vaccinated. The latest PHE risk assessment for the Delta variant reflects early signs of increased risk of reinfection with Delta compared to Alpha. Further investigations are being undertaken by PHE and data will be updated on Friday." |
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Post by Chahta on Aug 17, 2021 14:12:00 GMT
richardsok please add link to the article you quoited.
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Post by Norbert on Aug 17, 2021 14:16:55 GMT
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Post by racqueteer on Aug 17, 2021 14:25:43 GMT
raq, no I don't. It was quoted in the OP. I am interested too. I had this sent to me. Not much new but in England they are seeing current hospitalizations of vaxed folks at 30%. We don't get that info here, I believe, so unvaxed will consider getting vaxed. l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gov.uk%2Fgovernment%2Fnews%2Freact-study-shows-fully-vaccinated-are-three-times-less-likely-to-be-infected%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0GE7Ngqg4mp3AtinFnsQ3WDlYZ5pKsx-6vXuQnM-akB5TcJ4KGUHgE8Dw&h=AT1BnhApEMWWf1jJI2W7jd0nWpydQipTsMNgNt2AoVzqoYWfKxFcXXsyvgL6UCaJFbAAGGg0xDQ9H7dL9stTAF0pa_Chuw5E_caXX0Ntc17Y48icC4VoSJ2zzT4pneEKVTHHtgScroll down to see admission numbers. "PHE hospitalisation data shows that between 21 June and 19 July, 1,788 people were admitted to hospital after testing positive for the Delta variant. Of these, 970 (54.3%) were unvaccinated, while 530 (29.6%) had received both doses of the vaccine. In total, 3,692 people have been hospitalised with the delta variant, of whom 2,152 (58.3%) were unvaccinated and 843 (22.8%) were fully vaccinated. The latest PHE risk assessment for the Delta variant reflects early signs of increased risk of reinfection with Delta compared to Alpha. Further investigations are being undertaken by PHE and data will be updated on Friday."That's more than I'd have thought, but I ALSO have to note that the fully vaccinated were 2.5x less likely to be hospitalized (the link text indicates 3x). One has to also wonder about ventilator numbers. I have a paywall blocking me from viewing the OP link. So, again, not so sure about that "equal" statement. |
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Post by Chahta on Aug 17, 2021 14:34:28 GMT
3x less means 1/3 as stated.
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Post by Chahta on Aug 17, 2021 14:35:43 GMT
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Post by roi2020 on Aug 18, 2021 7:14:20 GMT
You can Google "Follow Your Nose to Herd Immunity" to potentially bypass pay wall.
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Post by Chahta on Aug 18, 2021 10:46:19 GMT
Thanks. Did find the article. But can’t link it.
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