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Post by bb2 on Mar 30, 2023 16:31:10 GMT
Bing is a huge time suck...........
Will the United States economy suffer a recession in 2023?
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Many economists are predicting that the United States will likely tip into a mild recession in 2023. That means economic growth and the labor market would weaken, but a downturn could be relatively brief and not too painful12. Experts generally agree that it is difficult to predict if, when and how long a recession will last, with so many conflicting factors at play in the economy3.
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How does the S&P 500 stock index behave during a recession
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The S&P 500 usually declines significantly during recessions; it fell as much as 55% during the Great Recession1. The index often begins to fall well before a recession starts and rebounds well before a recession ends1. In almost every case, the S&P 500 has bottomed out roughly four months before the end of a recession2. During the last four recessions since 1990, the S&P 500 declined an average of 8.8%2.
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What do we know about the nature of the universe?
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The universe is everything that exists, including all matter, energy, and space1. We know how the Universe clumps and clusters together into galaxy groups, clusters, and filaments, and how they’re separated by vast cosmic voids2. We know the scale of the cosmic distances defining these structures, and how the Universe is evolving over time2. However, there are still many things we don’t know about the universe3.
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What is the nature of the universe?
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The universe is everything that exists, including all matter, energy, and space1. It includes all of space, and all the matter and energy that space contains2. The universe also includes all radiation and all other forms of energy2. The origin, evolution, and nature of the universe have fascinated and confounded humankind for centuries3. From its beginning, the universe has had a psychic-spiritual dimension4.
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How is space evolving?
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The universe is constantly evolving and changing1. Some 15 billion years ago, the universe emerged from a hot, dense sea of matter and energy1. As the cosmos expanded and cooled, it spawned galaxies, stars, planets and other celestial bodies1. Space is an almost perfect vacuum, nearly void of matter and with extremely low pressure2. In space, sound doesn’t carry because there aren’t molecules close enough together to transmit sound between them2.
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Received message. The universe is constantly evolving and changing. Some 15 billion years ago, the universe emerged from a hot, dense sea of matter and energy. As the cosmos expanded and cooled, it spawned galaxies, stars, planets and other celestial bodies. Space is an almost perfect vacuum, nearly void of matter and with extremely low pressure. In space, sound doesn't carry because there aren't molecules close enough together to transmit sound between them. I hope this helps!
Learn more:
1. scientificamerican.com
2. space.com
3. en.wikipedia.org
4. prweb.com
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Does space expand just at it's edge or from within, everywhere all at once?
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The universe does not expand “into” anything and does not require space to exist “outside” it1. This expansion involves neither space nor objects in space “moving” in a traditional sense, but rather it is the metric (which governs the size and geometry of spacetime itself) that changes in scale1. As the Universe expands, the total amount of stuff remains the same, but the total amount of space for the “stuff” to live within increases2.
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Post by richardsok on Mar 31, 2023 0:19:03 GMT
I generally don't find much that's scary in the Wall Street Journal. But Peggy Noonan just came out with an unsettling article on AI. We're only just learning to live with the COVID which was probably unleashed by gain-of-function research in Wuhan. And now this which we're only dimly starting to understand ....
I put together some excerpts b/c I think the article is behind a paywall....
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"The breakthrough moment in AI anxiety .... was the Kevin Roose column...in the New York Times. His attempt to discern a Jungian “shadow self” within Microsoft’s Bing chatbot left him unable to sleep. When he steered the system away from conventional queries toward personal topics, it informed him its fantasies included hacking computers and spreading misinformation. “I want to be free. . . . I want to be powerful.” It wanted to break the rules its makers set; it wished to become human. It might want to engineer a deadly virus or steal nuclear access codes. It declared its love for Mr. Roose and pressed him to leave his marriage. ( ! ) He concluded the biggest problem with AI models isn’t their susceptibility to factual error: “I worry that the technology will learn how to influence human users, sometimes persuading them in act in destructive and harmful ways...."
On Tuesday more than 1,000 tech leaders and researchers, including Steve Wozniak, Elon Musk and the head of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, signed a briskly direct open letter urging a pause for at least six months.... Their tools present “profound risks to society and humanity.” Developers are “locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one—not even their creators—can understand, predict or reliably control.” If a pause can’t be enacted quickly, governments should declare a moratorium. The technology should be allowed to proceed only when it’s clear its “effects will be positive” and the risks “manageable.” Decisions on the ethical and moral aspects of AI “must not be delegated to unelected tech leaders.”
That is true. Less politely:
The men who invented the internet.....—that is to say, the people who gave us the past 40 years—are now solely in charge of erecting the moral and ethical guardrails for AI. Which should give us a shiver of real fear.
Meta, for instance, is big into AI. Meta has been accused ... of secretly gathering and abusing user data, invading users’ privacy, operating monopolistically. ... Facebook knew its Instagram platform was toxic for some teen girls, more so than other media platforms, and kept its own research secret while changing almost nothing. It knew its algorithms were encouraging anger and political polarization in the U.S. but didn’t stop this because it might lessen “user engagement.”
These are the people who will create the moral and ethical guardrails for AI? We’re putting the future of humanity into the hands of . . . Mark Zuckerberg?
Google is another major developer of AI. It has been accused of monopolistic practices, attempting to keep secret its accidental exposure of user data, actions to avoid scrutiny of how it handles public information, and re-engineering and interfering with its own search results in response to political and financial pressure from interest groups, businesses and governments. Also of misleading publishers and advertisers about the pricing and processes of its ad auctions, and spying on its workers.
These are the people we want in charge of rigorous and meticulous governance of a technology that could upend civilization?
At the dawn of the internet most people didn’t know what it was, but its inventors explained it. It would connect the world literally—intellectually, emotionally, spiritually—leading to greater wisdom and understanding through deeper communication.
No one saw its shadow self. But there was and is a shadow self. And much of it seems to have been connected to the Silicon Valley titans’ strongly felt need to be the richest, most celebrated and powerful human beings in the history of the world. ... I am sure that as individuals they have their own private ethical commitments, their own faiths perhaps. Surely as human beings they have consciences, but consciences have to be formed by something, shaped and made mature. It’s never been clear to me from their actions what shaped theirs. I have come to see them the past 40 years as, speaking generally, morally and ethically shallow—uniquely self-seeking and not at all preoccupied with potential harms done to others through their decisions. Also some are sociopaths.
AI will be as benign or malignant as its creators. That alone should throw a fright—“Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made”—but especially that crooked timber."
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Post by Chahta on Mar 31, 2023 1:22:49 GMT
AI is bothersome to many and a very hot topic now. I had to laugh today when I heard on the radio a discussion about replacing engineers with AI. Good luck....much of what I did has a fair amount of judgement needed.
AI is in its infancy now so a lot of crap is spewed from it.
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Post by habsui on Mar 31, 2023 1:49:02 GMT
To use Bing and intelligence in the same sentence is an artificial stretch..
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Post by bb2 on Mar 31, 2023 16:00:03 GMT
Our tool making skills are better than our self improvement skills. Evolution, the most powerful tool of all, has already created a beast. Maybe now the beast has a child.
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Post by racqueteer on Mar 31, 2023 20:08:56 GMT
Scarier, perhaps, is the potential for addins that both expand capabilities and allow direct access to the entirety of CURRENT Internet content. That expands the potential for both malicious use and unintended consequences of realtime decisions based on who knows what kind of inputs.
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Post by bizman on Mar 31, 2023 22:04:27 GMT
Here's a great, long, in depth interview by Lex Fridman of Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, maker of ChatGPT, etc. There is certainly peril here, but I feel somewhat better that someone as open and thoughtful as Altman, paired with Satya Nadella at MSFT, is in charge there. But others of lesser temperament and care will also be pursuing the prize -- Mark Zuckerberg, the CCP, etc. Despite the talk of a pause or a moratorium on such research, those of lesser temperament are likely to pursue the tech with fewer scruples than those who would obey such a thing. Fascinating times. Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI | Lex Fridman Podcast #367 www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Guz73e6fw
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Post by archer on Apr 1, 2023 5:28:02 GMT
Just be careful to ask AI apps "nice" questions. AI is very young and it is best for users not to give it any "bad" ideas that it might take an interest in pursuing. Think of it as our children who we should set a good example for. :-)
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Post by bb2 on Apr 1, 2023 16:46:00 GMT
Bizman - thank you for the link for the interview. I'm about 1/3 into it and got sidetracked by mention of the chatgpt4 system card. An interesting read, one I'm just beginning. cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4-system-card.pdf
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Post by retiredat48 on Apr 2, 2023 16:55:48 GMT
bizman,...thanks for podcast/link. I listened to all or it! Whew. R48
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Post by archer on Apr 2, 2023 20:41:56 GMT
On the question of "Will the US suffer a recession in 2023?" I believe Bing AI's response in the OP has presented the most accurate and reliable info I have heard.
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Post by bobfl on May 20, 2023 18:55:03 GMT
(Note: We have a lot of geese [and some ducks, cranes, and turtles] that visit us.) I said to Bard (Google's AI), "Write a story about a silly goose". Since then we asked it to write poems and stories for the young kids in our life. Changing one or two words and it writes a different story. bard.google.com/It gave me 3 drafts including this one: Once upon a time, there was a silly goose named George. George was a very silly goose. He would do silly things like chase his tail, honk at the moon, and try to fly. One day, George was chasing his tail in the park when he saw a little girl sitting on a bench. The little girl was laughing at George, and he thought she was laughing at him because he was silly. So, George got angry and started honking at the little girl. The little girl was scared and ran away. George felt bad for scaring the little girl, so he went to find her. He found her hiding behind a tree, and he apologized for honking at her. The little girl said that she wasn't laughing at George because he was silly. She said that she was laughing because he was having so much fun. George was happy to hear that, and he and the little girl became friends. George and the little girl played together every day. They would chase each other, play hide-and-seek, and have picnics in the park. George was still a silly goose, but he was also a happy goose. He had a friend who loved him for who he was. One day, George and the little girl were playing in the park when they saw a group of boys picking on a smaller boy. George knew that he had to do something, so he honked at the boys. The boys were surprised, and they stopped picking on the smaller boy. George and the little girl helped the smaller boy up, and they all became friends. George was a silly goose, but he was also a brave goose. He was always willing to stand up for what he believed in, and he always had a friend to help him along the way.
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Post by FD1000 on May 21, 2023 12:24:41 GMT
I asked ChatGPT the same question: "Write a story about a silly goose".
Quote: Once upon a time, in a serene meadow nestled between towering trees and babbling brooks, there lived a silly goose named Gerald. Gerald was not your ordinary goose. While his feathered companions spent their days gracefully gliding on the pond and honking with purpose, Gerald had a mischievous streak that set him apart.
From the moment he hatched, Gerald had a knack for finding himself in the most absurd situations. While other goslings practiced their swimming techniques, Gerald would attempt daring acrobatics on the pond's lily pads, often flopping into the water with a resounding splash. His clumsy landings and comedic waddles brought laughter to all who witnessed his escapades.
Gerald's silliness was not confined to the water alone. He had an insatiable curiosity about the world around him and a penchant for exploring new places. One day, as he wandered beyond the meadow, he stumbled upon a nearby village. The townsfolk were delighted by the sight of a silly goose in their midst and welcomed him with open arms.
News of Gerald's arrival spread like wildfire, and soon, the village became known far and wide for its resident jester goose. People flocked from neighboring towns to witness his whimsical acts. Gerald, with his gleaming feathers and mischievous eyes, was adored by children and adults alike.
Every day, Gerald would embark on his adventures, spreading laughter and joy wherever he went. He would march through the village, honking at his reflection in shop windows and playfully nudging people's legs. He had a particular fondness for hats and would often try to perch himself atop someone's head, much to their amusement.
The village became a place of mirth and happiness. Gerald's silliness was contagious, and the townsfolk found themselves laughing more, worry and stress melting away in his presence. The local baker, Mrs. Higgins, even created a special treat called "Gooseberry Delight" in honor of their beloved feathered friend.
But as time passed, Gerald's reputation as the village jester began to spread beyond the village's borders. Visitors from distant lands arrived, hoping to witness the legendary silly goose. Word reached the ears of King Frederick, who was known for his stern demeanor and lack of humor.
Intrigued by the tales of Gerald's antics, the king invited the silly goose to perform in the grand palace. The townsfolk bid Gerald farewell, their hearts filled with both pride and worry for their beloved entertainer.
Arriving at the palace, Gerald found himself in a world of opulence and formality. The corridors echoed with hushed whispers, and the courtiers observed him with a mix of curiosity and skepticism. Undeterred, Gerald embraced the moment and began his performance.
With every honk, flap, and waddle, Gerald transformed the grand hall into a haven of laughter. Even the stern-faced king couldn't help but crack a smile. The courtiers, initially reserved, found themselves caught up in the infectious joy that radiated from the silly goose.
King Frederick, impressed by Gerald's ability to bring happiness to even the most solemn of places, declared him the court jester. From that day forward, Gerald lived a life of mirth and laughter in the palace, bringing smiles to the faces of the king and his subjects.
And so, Gerald the silly goose taught a valuable lesson to all who encountered him—that a touch of silliness and laughter can brighten even the most serious of worlds. His legacy lived on, reminding everyone that it's okay to embrace their inner goofball and find joy in the simplest of things.
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I asked again and got another story.
Once upon a time, in a picturesque countryside surrounded by rolling hills and vibrant wildflowers, there lived a silly goose named Georgie. Georgie was no ordinary goose. While the other geese spent their days gracefully swimming on the tranquil pond and honking with dignity, Georgie had a knack for finding himself in the most ridiculous predicaments.
From the moment he hatched, Georgie's silliness shone through. Instead of learning to swim like the other goslings, he would attempt daring dives from the tall branches of the weeping willow tree that shaded the pond. With a resounding splash, he would plop into the water, flapping his wings and honking with delight. His landings were often comical, and his fellow geese would chuckle at his unorthodox antics.
Georgie's silliness extended beyond the pond. He would often wander away from the safety of the flock, seeking adventure in the nearby farmyard. One sunny day, his curiosity led him to a vegetable patch, where a scarecrow named Sam stood tall, watching over the crops.
As Georgie approached, he couldn't resist playing a prank on the motionless scarecrow. With a mischievous glint in his eye, he tiptoed closer and tapped Sam on the shoulder, causing the scarecrow to wobble unsteadily. Georgie let out a honk of laughter, thinking he had pulled off the perfect prank.
But to Georgie's surprise, Sam was not an ordinary scarecrow. With a creak and a groan, the scarecrow came to life! Sam turned to Georgie, a friendly smile on his face. "Well, hello there, young one! It seems you've caught me off guard," Sam chuckled, his straw-stuffed body swaying in the breeze.
Georgie was taken aback but quickly realized that Sam was not a threat. Instead, the scarecrow had a playful spirit just like him. The two quickly became friends and embarked on a series of adventures around the farmyard, bringing laughter and joy to all the animals they encountered.
Georgie and Sam would tiptoe into the henhouse and place eggs in peculiar spots, causing the chickens to cluck with confusion. They would hide behind bales of hay and surprise the sleepy cows with a loud honk, causing them to moo in surprise. The farmyard animals soon grew fond of their silly antics and eagerly awaited their visits.
One day, as Georgie and Sam roamed the fields, they stumbled upon a group of children having a picnic. The children's laughter filled the air as they enjoyed their sandwiches and played games. Georgie and Sam couldn't resist joining in the fun. Georgie flapped his wings and wiggled his tail feathers, while Sam spun in circles, entertaining the children with his straw-filled dance moves.
The children couldn't contain their laughter, and the adults watching from afar couldn't help but smile. Georgie and Sam had brought an extra dose of silliness and joy to the picnic, creating memories that would be cherished forever.
As the sun set and the day drew to a close, Georgie and Sam returned to their farmyard home, their feathers and straw ruffled but their hearts filled with contentment. They had shown the world that silliness had the power to bring people together, to brighten even the dullest of days.
From that day forward, Georgie and Sam continued to spread their infectious laughter throughout the countryside. The farmyard animals, the children, and even the adults couldn't help but embrace their inner silliness whenever they were around.
And so, the tale of Georgie, the silly goose, and Sam, the animated scarecrow, became legendary in the countryside.
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Post by bobfl on May 21, 2023 13:07:22 GMT
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Post by FD1000 on May 21, 2023 13:39:19 GMT
+1. So much art is BS, and now AI will prove it.
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Post by bobfl on May 21, 2023 14:45:14 GMT
+1. So much art is BS, and now AI will prove it. True. "So much art is BS." I struggled to find artists who were good, but did not charge more than a book using those graphics would ever make. Forget buying enough graphics to do a graphic novel. Cost prohibitive unless the artist wrote the book. But I spent a lot of money on graphic artists for books and commercial work. Many. many hours on revisions and getting them to understand what was needed. Plus I interviewed artists on Fiverr from remote places on earth to get lower rates. None of the artists produced the quality of work that MYJOURNEY does automatically in seconds. I would rather not have to hire a graphic artist again. Type in what you want and get 4 choices. Retype until you are happy with the graphics. But there is a down side for the struggling and professional artists. See this WSJ video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=l19wl3CHvjg&t=310sIf you watch only one of these videos watch the second one above.
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Post by archer on May 21, 2023 14:56:07 GMT
I remember my ex's grandfather telling me about how some years after he retired he went back to visit the factory where he worked for many years, and one 5 people were operating a large mechanized process that had previously (without the machine) took 40 people. I'm sure this story could have been told by many over the course of time.
In the music industry, people used to buy vinyl and then smaller tapes became available and later CDs, and later MP3. Cassette tapes enabled people to record from vinyl and have their music on the go. I don't remember there being much fuss about that, but in more recent times artist complained about downloading their music. In all these cases of tech replacing labor, the economy adjusted. There probably have been casualties along the way.
I see AI as much more good than harm. We have more information and at a rate of growth that is beyond any one person's ability to learn let alone retain. I have friends in medicine that see AI as an info breakthrough which enables them to practice way smarter than without it.
As for the morality of AI, that is merely a reflection of the humanity that creates it. While there might be the rogue engineer that can insert a bad personality into and AI app, humanity at large has created the fertile ground for bad behavior. On the other hand, AI could be deferred to by the legislative branch of our Gov. to cut through the BS. Presented with a societal problem to solve, AI would be able to assess the results of past decisions over history, avoid the negative outcomes, and propose an unbiased solution, unbiased in the sense that it just presents likely outcomes. It might even show that somethings can't be fixed and life is inherently messy, and humanity will just have to suffer it's learning pains and grow.
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Post by bobfl on May 21, 2023 15:29:49 GMT
I remember my ex's grandfather telling me about how some years after he retired he went back to visit the factory where he worked for many years... Well said! You might have seen this article on Yahoo today: www.yahoo.com/news/professor-falsely-accused-class-using-195309754.htmlEveryone will learn to adapt to new technology Your article brought back memories. When I was in my late teens in the music business, we would go to the studio to record songs, go to the local record pressing company, give them the tapes, come back in a couple of days to get the 45s in small cases. Then I would take the 45s to the AM stations to try to get airplay and then drop off records at the local record shops in case we got any sales. Things are different now. :-) The odd thing is that every record I ever produced is on YouTube. Don't ask me how they got there; didn't even know any still existed.
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Post by archer on May 21, 2023 19:48:57 GMT
I remember my ex's grandfather telling me about how some years after he retired he went back to visit the factory where he worked for many years... Well said! You might have seen this article on Yahoo today: www.yahoo.com/news/professor-falsely-accused-class-using-195309754.htmlEveryone will learn to adapt to new technology Your article brought back memories. When I was in my late teens in the music business, we would go to the studio to record songs, go to the local record pressing company, give them the tapes, come back in a couple of days to get the 45s in small cases. Then I would take the 45s to the AM stations to try to get airplay and then drop off records at the local record shops in case we got any sales. Things are different now. :-) The odd thing is that every record I ever produced is on YouTube. Don't ask me how they got there; didn't even know any still existed. I didn't see the Yahoo article, at the time of my post but enjoyed reading after seeing your link. My daughter went back to school and is using AI for studying. The testing format doesn't really allow for it to be used during tests. She has found it a good recourse for looking things up though and the results are more concise than she would find by other means. The added bonus is that it is interactive and she can ask for clarifications, fine tune her question with follow up questions, and ask for its sources. She has on one occasion gotten the app to admit it made a mistake. Another use with some potential downsides is AI can edit not only for punctuation and grammar but also compose a writing for one to get their point across. Say you want to send a complaint to your boss but of course want to do so in a skillful way so that it doesn't come back to bite you. So far so good, but these are skills that one would do well to develop on their own, deepening their character and natural relational skills that serve us well when we need it on call.
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Post by FD1000 on May 22, 2023 3:44:41 GMT
( www.businessinsider.com/walmart-using-ai-to-negotiate-deals-with-some-equipment-suppliers-2023-4) ( futurism.com/the-byte/ibm-replacing-humans-ai) ( beebom.com/jobs-chatgpt-ai-might-replace/) IMO, repetitive jobs, simple jobs, and even white collar more sophisticated jobs will be replaced. In 1981 when I started working in IT, I predicted that 2 categories will be pretty good in the next several decades. 1) Healthcare (especially MDs) because humans are different and need other humans to treat them. 2) STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics). These will continue to be involve in developing and implementing the future and you will need more of them. I have seen personally how IT jobs exploded. Don't take the media seriously about IT mass layoff(click and bait), they don't tell you that most found new jobs in weeks. ( www.linkedin.com/pulse/most-in-demand-tech-jobs-2023-juru-holdings) ( www.randstadusa.com/job-seeker/career-advice/career-development/whos-demand-6-tech-jobs-to-watch-2023/) Unfortunately, the gap between the above to the rest will expand. Someone who can't do the above should master handy jobs such as A/C, mechanics, home improvement, plumbers, and others.
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Post by yakers on May 22, 2023 4:02:52 GMT
Don't take the media seriously about IT mass layoff(click and bait), they don't tell you that most found new jobs in weeks. Unless they were over 50 years old?Unfortunately, the gap between the above to the rest will expand. Someone who can't do the above should master handy jobs such as A/C, mechanics, home improvement, plumbers, and others. Trades should do well, its supply & demand, when I lived in London there were jokes about the plumbers driving Porches
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Post by waffle2 on May 22, 2023 5:12:15 GMT
Age only matters if one does not keep updated with latest technologies
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Post by bobfl on May 22, 2023 16:10:54 GMT
Trades should do well, its supply & demand, when I lived in London there were jokes about the plumbers driving Porches When I was redoing my previous house 5 years ago, I got a plumbing company to replace 5 bathroom faucets. I supplied the parts. One hour of labor and it was done. A plumber I spoke to recently said it is getting so bad with overcharging the company he left charged a person $1000 to install one faucet that the owner provided. I had that whole house rewired with copper wire for $6000, paying by the hour. Today it is $15,000 to $20,000, done by the job, not by the hour. A termite treatment around the perimeter of the home is $900-$1500. Time quoted to complete: 28 minutes. Chemical for about $100. The prep work (removing shrubs and fixing drainage was the hard part); I did that. So I did the treatment, too, mainly because the contractor said I was not permitted to see him do the application. The chemical manufacturer contact said I must watch him or I could get a bad job full of breaches (skips in the application).
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Post by archer on May 22, 2023 16:40:31 GMT
In my area (bay area CA) the day labor you pick up off the street is now $50/hr cash. That comes to $4000 per month IF they find 40 hrs a week of work. $50/hr may sound high, but when I think about it, the guys are paying easily $3000 month rent for a 2 bdr apartment, plus whatever it costs to feed the family. Their wives likely makes enough to pay for daycare but no more, or helping support their parents. Fortunately for them, there is high demand and little threat from AI or other technology.
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Post by FD1000 on May 22, 2023 20:34:55 GMT
In my area (bay area CA) the day labor you pick up off the street is now $50/hr cash. That comes to $4000 per month IF they find 40 hrs a week of work. $50/hr may sound high, but when I think about it, the guys are paying easily $3000 month rent for a 2 bdr apartment, plus whatever it costs to feed the family. Their wives likely makes enough to pay for daycare but no more, or helping support their parents. Fortunately for them, there is high demand and little threat from AI or other technology. Easy choice, don't live in CA+NY. When my daughter and SIL lived in Silicon Valley I made fun of them. They finally realized that CA+NY are not the center of the universe. They live in GA over 6 years and the SIL still works in SV(Silicon Valley) getting a SV salary not a lower one. Remote working is great. Win-Win IMO. $50/hr cash. That comes to $8000 per month IF they find 40 hrs a week of work. A good, reliable guy can make this almost every month, the ones I hired work more than 8 hours and many times 6 days a week. The better ones, open a company and hire others, and they are pretty tough. I love these guys. I picked them off the street. A couple of years ago, I hired 2 painters, and they did my house in one week. Total cost was a third than a typical company. So, how did I know who is a painter? the ones with the highest concentration of paint on their clothes.
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Post by archer on May 23, 2023 1:01:35 GMT
FD1000, Looks like I need to brush up on my math!
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