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Post by johnsmith on Dec 28, 2022 23:38:27 GMT
You may have recently heard the kerfuffle about TikTok.
Here's John Gruber giving his opinion:
The controversy is: TikTok collects data. The data is used by China to spy. TikTok banned on all govt. phones.
What no one in the media will say: Every other app on your smart phone can also collect the same data on you.
The government can get their hands on that data. (That's why at the Federal level there are no privacy laws)
Every other government in the world, should think through this. Apple & Google are American corps. The US government can spy on every person in the world.
Should they ban all iPhones & Android phones?
This follows:
Same applies to Network equipment from Juniper, Cisco etc. (If Huawei can backdoor their network equipment, the US is already doing it for all the US manufacturer equipment, otherwise how would they know it can be done?)
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Post by steadyeddy on Dec 29, 2022 0:04:31 GMT
johnsmith, are you saying tiktok should not be banned in the US? Is it your belief that the CCP's intentions are no worse or no better than the US intentions in collecting data? Not trying to debate or argue but just trying to get a baseline view from you.
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Post by johnsmith on Dec 29, 2022 6:32:47 GMT
I said what I wanted to.
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Post by steadyeddy on Dec 30, 2022 2:38:04 GMT
I personally think a democratic regime stands a better chance of scruitability than one that is not.
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Post by Chahta on Dec 30, 2022 13:20:22 GMT
"Democratic regime". I like it.
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Post by johnsmith on Dec 30, 2022 13:23:57 GMT
I personally think a democratic regime stands a better chance of scruitability than one that is not. I think, and I could be wrong, that all governments behave the same way when they are under the same stresses (applies to people too).
Think about the US regimes reaction in the early days of covid. Think about the Chinese regimes reaction to covid.
There's no difference.
They both say: - it's mild. - try to hide the statistics. - lie. - influence media to shape views.
(I can provide evidence from both sides of the aisle, if you really insist.)
A government that is "democratic" & can be "scrutinized" - it's people get complacent and trust the government, so are more vulnerable to being bamboozled. An undemocratic & unscrutinized government - it's people don't trust the government so they use more of their intellect and evidence to figure out what is really going on.
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Post by Chahta on Dec 30, 2022 13:37:34 GMT
"A government that is "democratic" & can be "scrutinized"" While a noble thought, I think not. Too many examples for several years now.
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Post by steadyeddy on Dec 30, 2022 13:52:27 GMT
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Post by Chahta on Dec 30, 2022 23:58:51 GMT
steadyeddy, while theoretically we have a democratic form of government, it has proven itself to be so corrupt and filthy. It is no longer "of, by and for the people" as Lincoln stated. It is of, by and for the politicians. Sorry to be so cynical.
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Post by johntaylor on Dec 31, 2022 15:08:58 GMT
Max Weber suggested that, regardless of differences in nations, one public bureaucracy behaves in much the same way as another.
And often the bureaucracy will pursue its own internal goals rather than whatever citizens might want.
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