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Post by johnsmith on Dec 6, 2022 12:57:50 GMT
good stuff in this link.
one para - "Understand first that China doesn’t have nearly as many hospital beds, and especially ICU beds, per capita, as most of the West. If Covid gets out of control, a higher percentage of people will die than did in most Western countries. Indeed, probably many more. Even if they only lost as many as the US has so far, we’re talking about five million people or so, but it would easily be double that."
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Post by steadyeddy on Dec 6, 2022 13:06:11 GMT
good stuff in this link.
one para - "Understand first that China doesn’t have nearly as many hospital beds, and especially ICU beds, per capita, as most of the West. If Covid gets out of control, a higher percentage of people will die than did in most Western countries. Indeed, probably many more. Even if they only lost as many as the US has so far, we’re talking about five million people or so, but it would easily be double that."
That is one important aspect of the 0-covid policy. However, I fail to understand why they wouldn't import more effective vaccines and quickly get the disease under control. Some ideological self-reliance which could significantly impact global economy and their own prosperity. Go figure! |
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Post by Chahta on Dec 6, 2022 13:40:44 GMT
steadyeddy, vaccines don’t control covid. I am triple vaxed and got it. Gave it to unvaxed and vaxed relatives. 1 compromised. We all survived and it was mild. And the vax definitely won’t stop it. JMHO.
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Post by johnsmith on Dec 6, 2022 14:42:43 GMT
good stuff in this link.
one para - "Understand first that China doesn’t have nearly as many hospital beds, and especially ICU beds, per capita, as most of the West. If Covid gets out of control, a higher percentage of people will die than did in most Western countries. Indeed, probably many more. Even if they only lost as many as the US has so far, we’re talking about five million people or so, but it would easily be double that."
That is one important aspect of the 0-covid policy. However, I fail to understand why they wouldn't import more effective vaccines and quickly get the disease under control. Some ideological self-reliance which could significantly impact global economy and their own prosperity. Go figure! US does the same thing! Early on Germany already had diagnostic tests for Covid and the US decided not to import them from Germany until they could develop their own. It was quite a while until the US was able to produce it's own covid testing kits - meanwhile people were dying! Go figure! |
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Post by Chahta on Dec 6, 2022 15:23:11 GMT
China is a lying SOS. !6,000 deaths at ground zero?
I still look at the Johns Hopkins Covid website. So many countries have deaths out of proportion to the US deaths. I have to believe the deaths were overstated in the US. JMHO.
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Post by johnsmith on Dec 6, 2022 18:25:27 GMT
I highly doubt the death numbers are overstated in the USA.
The US has an excellent system to record births and deaths (along with land, building and other records).
It's much more likely in other western nations it's the same - good record keeping.
The rest of the world, not so much. (deaths significantly undercounted).
There are issues though - covid can cause heart, brain, liver, kidney issues;
so when someone dies of a stroke, did they die because they got covid?
Did covid cause a stroke much sooner than it would have happened otherwise?
same for all the other issues like heart attacks, kidney failures and on and on.
and anywhere from 5% - 20% of the people will get Long Covid. Is their (eventually early) death due to covid?
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Post by bugman on Dec 6, 2022 18:43:43 GMT
Many countries have better coordinated health care at the national level than we do. I don't doubt the numbers either. We're still experiencing around 300 deaths a day due to covid.
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Post by steadyeddy on Dec 8, 2022 3:45:51 GMT
steadyeddy , vaccines don’t control covid. I am triple vaxed and got it. Gave it to unvaxed and vaxed relatives. 1 compromised. We all survived and it was mild. And the vax definitely won’t stop it. JMHO. , no argument about getting covid in spite of vaccines. My point is that China does not want to import mRNA vaccines which drastically reduce mortality due to covid. It got lost somewhere. |
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Post by johntaylor on Dec 29, 2022 18:41:24 GMT
Walensky:
"The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are people who were unwell to begin with."
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Post by richardsok on Dec 29, 2022 21:31:25 GMT
Having read win's sobering assessment of vax vs no-vax risks last night, I changed my mind and skipped to CVS this morning for my second boost; this one the Pfizer PreValent (am I spelling correctly?) No suggestion for others -- am merely rolling with the odds as the smart money perceives them for this 74yo geezer.
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Post by richardsok on Dec 30, 2022 1:39:20 GMT
I have been watching US Covid NEW weekly hospitalization stats; now back up to 40,000, but still well under the recent high in July of 46,000, and nothing at all like it was at the heights of the scare. IMO new hospitalization number bears watching. If numbers continued climbing, and surpass July, we could see some reaction in the market. ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-hospital-admissions-covid?country=GBR~USA~DEU~FRA |
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Post by anitya on Dec 30, 2022 8:08:26 GMT
Having read win's sobering assessment of vax vs no-vax risks last night, I changed my mind and skipped to CVS this morning for my second boost; this one the Pfizer PreValent (am I spelling correctly?) No suggestion for others -- am merely rolling with the odds as the smart money perceives them for this 74yo geezer. I think you meant Pfizer bivalent (as opposed to monovalent). I think currently only the bivalent boosters are available in the US. I took it as well (I think about two months ago) but skipped the flu vaccine. |
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Post by johnsmith on Dec 30, 2022 13:15:30 GMT
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Post by win1177 on Dec 30, 2022 14:22:56 GMT
Having read win's sobering assessment of vax vs no-vax risks last night, I changed my mind and skipped to CVS this morning for my second boost; this one the Pfizer PreValent (am I spelling correctly?) No suggestion for others -- am merely rolling with the odds as the smart money perceives them for this 74yo geezer. Glad to hear you got boosted! I also got the newer Pfizer (bivalent) booster after it came out in September of this year, and (so far) have escaped any reinfection with COVID. I’ve been exposed several times, and to date have avoided it. We are having a surge in our area of S.C. (Lexington county) and unfortunately have a LOT of “non- believers” in vaccines, many of whom are close friends. I’ve watched several come down with COVID, fortunately no one has died (yet). I’ve just had one infection with COVID and it was VERY mild, and I think it is due to staying updated on vaccines/ boosters. Especially important in my line of work, where I was constantly exposed (medicine). But now that I have retired, hoping I can just stay healthy. Win |
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