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Post by chang on Apr 20, 2022 16:05:12 GMT
I'm trying to make a relationship work with a European bank. To get the banking terms and conditions I want (basically a waiver of a bunch of onerous fees), it boils down t this: I need to put €600,000 to work with the bank.
Forget funds; nobody can compete with the offerings and terms/conditions in the US. But I can buy various foreign stocks that I would be happy to own.
Their commissions are 0.25% to buy and sell stocks, and 0.15% p.a. custody fees on the assets. That sucks, obviously.
They offered me a line of credit at 0.8% per annum, which I can invest -- using my house as collateral. I don't like that idea very much -- I want my house to be debt-free, owned free and clear; no ifs, ands or buts. The 0.8% doesn't sound too bad: I think I can do better than that, long term, with a few good, stable, low-beta, high ROE, dividend-paying stocks. (ALSO, I would still have to pay the 0.25% purchase/sales charges, and the custody fee.)
Alternatively, I need to keep €600,000 in cash in the bank. I think that's too much for me to let sit (and not work for me). Even at 0.25% (VMMXX), that's wasting a potential €1,500 a year.
I'm not seeing a good solution here. Not surprising, because I want a deal that is favorable to me, and the bank wants a deal that is favorable to them.
Any thoughts? Would you take the line of credit?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 16:44:22 GMT
Is this a self-directed investment account or a managed one? It does seem like the best alternative among those you mentioned. Can you split the required assets between cash and securities, so that it is not one or the other. I have avoided using a bank line of credit, but that is just my preference. Is there an equivalent to the U.S. FDIC for the cash deposit?
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Post by chang on Apr 20, 2022 16:47:25 GMT
Is this a self-directed investment account or a managed one? It does seem like the best alternative among those you mentioned. Can you split the required assets between cash and securities, so that it is not one or the other. I have avoided using a bank line of credit, but that is just my preference. Is there an equivalent to the U.S. FDIC for the cash deposit? Can be entirely self directed, and would be — no need for me to pay for any asset management services. And yes, I can split between cash and securities. But cash earning 0% is truly trash, especially if MM rates rise. Cash may or many be insured — I’d guess not — but I think the banks are pretty solvent.
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Post by Chahta on Apr 20, 2022 16:50:46 GMT
Interesting ways over there. If they charge you .8% + .15% and you bought a CD for 1% you would make .05%? Doesn’t sound too bad. Would think you could do better than 1%.
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Post by Capital on Apr 20, 2022 17:00:56 GMT
Can you quantify the annual fees that the €600,000 in the Bank will save you? That is like earning tax free interest on the cash.
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Post by chang on Apr 20, 2022 17:06:35 GMT
Can you quantify the annual fees that the €600,000 in the Bank will save you? That is like earning tax free interest on the cash. A couple hundred € a year. As irritating as that is, it may be less than the cost of the other “solutions”.
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