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Post by roi2020 on Feb 17, 2022 3:48:20 GMT
The US Coronavirus case-fatality ratio is 1.19% while the total number of deaths was 925,435 as of 02/15/22. There were 281.94 US deaths per 100,000 population which is rather high (18th highest out of 180+ countries). If I was infected with COVID-19, the symptoms would likely be mild since I'm vaxed, boosted, and relatively healthy. However, I take precautions to avoid infection since we still don't have a good understanding of "Long Covid." Link |
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Post by Chahta on Feb 17, 2022 13:09:37 GMT
Stupid singling out a freakin tennis player. At least he would be entertainment to a starved world. But then again no one is serious about Covid here since 20% of illegals carry the virus and are unvaxed. Two things: 1. Djokovic wasn’t “singled out”; he simply wasn’t allowed an exemption from the requirements. 2. Can you point to the data which supports your second statement? He is singled out here. Besides, the rich and powerful are singled out all the time. One athlete will crumble the entire plan? I posted it elsewhere previously. The data comes from random testing of the detained illegals. You can google it any number of places Isn't a pity we don't have that number well-known? Anyone that complains about the unvaxed and not this is a hypocrite. link . |
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Post by Chahta on Feb 17, 2022 13:18:05 GMT
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Post by racqueteer on Feb 17, 2022 15:01:02 GMT
Two things: 1. Djokovic wasn’t “singled out”; he simply wasn’t allowed an exemption from the requirements. 2. Can you point to the data which supports your second statement? He is singled out here. Besides, the rich and powerful are singled out all the time. One athlete will crumble the entire plan? I posted it elsewhere previously. The data comes from random testing of the detained illegals. You can google it any number of places Isn't a pity we don't have that number well-known? Anyone that complains about the unvaxed and not this is a hypocrite. link . On Djokovic, we're just going to have to disagree. Had he been given a visa available to no one else, THEN he would have been singled out.
The stats that anyone can check out: Here
20,094 detainees and 1,610 positive cases. I make that about 8%. Not good, but not what you wrote by a LONG shot. The implication of what you wrote is that this is somehow a problem related to "illegals". 1,610 cases country wide represents a huge problem? Again, we differ. Does it need to be addressed? Sure, along with many OTHER things MORE impactful.
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Post by Chahta on Feb 17, 2022 15:28:50 GMT
I posted a link and there are many sites quoting the 20%. The data stands on its own. The implication is that 20% of all illegals crossing the border (not 20,094) are positive for Covid and not many care. There are far more not detained than are detained. This is not political but a practical matter willingly unaddressed.
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Post by racqueteer on Feb 17, 2022 16:58:24 GMT
I posted a link and there are many sites quoting the 20%. The data stands on its own. The implication is that 20% of all illegals crossing the border (not 20,094) are positive for Covid and not many care. There are far more not detained than are detained. This is not political but a practical matter willingly unaddressed. But again, the CURRENT data do not support your statement. How on Earth could 20% be crossing the border having covid-19, when only 8% in detention HAVE it? We only catch the healthy ones? Isn't that unlikely? If the ones not being caught are infected enough to make the TOTAL 20%, how many of THEM are there? How could we possibly have figures for them if they successfully sneak in? Are hospitals REALLY noting those who are undocumented as a unique statistic? I ask this because I had to do some investigating of other matters, and I don't remember EVER seeing such a statistic from the CDC, for example. Can you tell me where you posted the link; because I'm skeptical of that claim and would like to examine the figures and their source?
Incidentally, the fact that something is repeated in more than one place doesn't make an argument any more compelling. The DATA are what is important.
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Post by racqueteer on Feb 17, 2022 17:15:52 GMT
High figures for people being DEPORTED as of August 2021. This was PRIOR to the time where ALL detainees were routinely tested, and was AFTER being held in overcrowded conditions for an unknown period of time. I think it would be reasonable to assume that THESE were cases contracted WHILE in detention and NOT preexisting conditions. In any event, this is quite old data, it would appear. As old data, it probably shouldn't be claimed to be true NOW.
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Post by Chahta on Feb 17, 2022 18:53:19 GMT
Had nothing to do with deportations. Random testing on detained illegals and the assumption is that ALL illegals, detained or escaped, is in the 20% positive test range. I don’t care how they got it. The bottom line is I get tired of disingenuous people complaining or blaming the unvaxed when there are other issues too.
Oh ya, quite old data since Covid has gone away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 19:37:38 GMT
Unless a new variant and waves comes, at this point people are happy with mask mandate in California is mostly gone. Still need to wear masks indoor in k-12 schools and in public/mass transportation.
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Post by bugman on Feb 17, 2022 19:46:12 GMT
Let's just close this thread before it gets nasty. People at this point are going to do what they want, driven by their own beliefs. Darwin will figure out the rest...
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Post by racqueteer on Feb 17, 2022 21:52:54 GMT
Had nothing to do with deportations. Random testing on detained illegals and the assumption is that ALL illegals, detained or escaped, is in the 20% positive test range. I don’t care how they got it. The bottom line is I get tired of disingenuous people complaining or blaming the unvaxed when there are other issues too. Oh ya, quite old data since Covid has gone away. Again, testing is now done on ALL detainees; not just those actively being deported (the ONLY time the detainees were tested at the time). The data are available. It doesn't match what you're saying. Data doesn't require that you assume anything; the data says what it says. With THIS epidemic, 6 months out of date, with significant changes in sampling methodology, DOES represent old data. Even if it weren't, data doesn't become 'good' just because something ELSE did or didn't happen. That's a false dichotomy; It's either accurate or it isn't. I'm also unsure how the percentage (not number) of unvaxxed and undocumented would have any impact on whether or not the unvaxxed are a problem? Wouldn't it STILL be a problem; regardless of who the unvaxxed were? The unvaxxed seem to be disproportionately white; shouldn't we be blaming white folks generally, then? I'm not trying to pick a fight; I'm just trying to see the logic in the argument. |
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Post by johntaylor on Feb 17, 2022 22:24:49 GMT
"US Border officials made a record 1.9 million arrests along the southern border in 2021, new data reveals...one fifth of those arrested were released into the US...."
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Post by chang on Feb 17, 2022 22:57:19 GMT
Let's just close this thread before it gets nasty. People at this point are going to do what they want, driven by their own beliefs. Darwin will figure out the rest... Good advice from our friendly neighborhood spider-man. I think everyone has had their say. |
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