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Post by bb2 on May 4, 2024 22:43:20 GMT
www.lynalden.com/most-investments-are-bad/Switched over to am business radio the other day and the real estate guy was all about maintaining debt levels. Business fundamentals though are still important. Apple wouldn't be what it is without a product to sell. (I do kick myself for paying off the mortgage because I hated paperwork/writing checks.) Zero rate days are over it seems as is the 40 yr secular rate drop, so, different world. I'd never have thought I'd be in short term gov bonds. Edit: The more I think about this the more I think aboout tax codes, buybacks to sanitize stock rewards and so many other types of financial engineering that take money out of the biz, leaving shareholders with the bag. Safra Katz, for example, became a billionaire while ORCL did nothing. I was talking with an accountant/biz consultant the other day and he was exclaiming about how the system incentivizes business ownership in a way that's quite unfair to working people. But then another CPA buddy says they do pay. Alot! (He's a rabid conservative though, so grain of salt.)
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Post by steadyeddy on May 5, 2024 1:37:03 GMT
bb2, given the sovereign debt loads around the world, we are just one financial accident away from lower - and much lower - interest rates. I for one do not buy this logic that interest rates will continue to stay higher. It would have been true if the debt loads were smaller... Do not despair.. lower rates could/would be here sooner than you think.
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Post by mnfish on May 5, 2024 12:15:23 GMT
bb2 , "Safra Katz, for example, became a billionaire while ORCL did nothing." Katz has been with ORCL since 1999. Co-CEO with Mark Hurd until his passing in 2019. Since 2019 ORCL has increased revenue by 34% and its stock price has doubled. Since 1999 ORCL is up 1,800%.
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Post by bb2 on May 7, 2024 17:28:47 GMT
Point taken mnfish. Let's go with underperformed. 2014-2020, up 25%. CRM was up 200% during the same period. ORCL finally got it together around 2020 with a push for services. And today, CRM is up 350% since 2014 when Katz took over and ORCL, half that. But my real point was how can any CEO, not a founder, take $1B out of a company even if said CEO has been a star. I guess 1B isn't what it used to be. Different topic.
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Post by mnfish on May 8, 2024 11:49:57 GMT
bb2 , I can't find where she's taken $1B out of ORCL. Google says that her total net worth is $1.91B. In 2022 she received $138m in options. Her salary and bonus in 2023 was $5.2m. If you've been a CEO of a $325B company for 10 years, have been there for a total 25 years and have invested well it seems reasonable that by age 62 you might be worth that by now. Marc Benioff, CEO of CRM, learned from Larry Ellison and started his company in 1999. Google says his net worth is $9.7B. Ellisons' is $144B. As far as $1B not being what is used to be, there's another thread about the $34T national debt.
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Post by retiredat48 on May 8, 2024 17:03:13 GMT
Hi bb2 ,......Thanks for the link/Alden article. IMO this is one of the better best articles I have seen linked in a while. Right in my wheelhouse of where I spend my investment thinking time. I sent it via email to my kids and other select individuals, asking that they read it twice. I stated to them: "I highly recommend this article for my kids/investors etc as it represents a lot of my viewpoints re investing. Suggest some read it twice...in terms of developing long term strategies for handling accumulated family wealth. Keep in mind our family is now a "capital allocator" investing passively in most things...and why I have ALWAYS kept borrowed money via HELOCs etc in my 57 years of investing (leverage). Article printed below..."-----------------------------------------
Guess that means I am keeping my 3% fixed HELOC, 16 years left in duration! R48
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