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Post by chang on May 3, 2024 6:08:00 GMT
Gaza could have been another Singapore or Dubai with its prime Mediterranean location. Absolutely true. We lived near the Jumeirah Souk Madinat in Dubai - the most amazing restaurants, shopping, music, hammam/spas, and so forth - the best of Arab culture. And yet Dubai is inherently unfriendly to tourism (can’t buy alcohol outside of hotels, unmarried tourists of the opposite sex can’t share a hotel room, tourists of the same sex … I’d better not say.) Gaza could have been festooned with Michelin star restaurants, blow-away-Bali beaches, water parks, and basically a tourism oasis: like Israel, only with better service and hospitality, and lower prices. And the western world would fall over themselves rushing to finance it all (although Jumeirah could do that, too.) Surely one of the greatest missed opportunities in history. But then Abba Eban famously said of Yasser Arafat, he never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. |
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Post by archer on May 3, 2024 6:40:10 GMT
Mustang, "I liked what the California Highway Patrol did at UCLA. They uncovered the faces of those arrested so the public could see who they were. With AI background checks I hope all potential employers see this and turn them down." I'm sure they will be able to find teaching jobs at many universities.
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Post by richardsok on May 3, 2024 11:37:18 GMT
richardsok I don’t buy the sex or the “beef” excuses. Woodstock beards might have been the key to easy sex and drugs in the 60s, but not now. As to “Secondly -- today's kids really DO have a valid beef; they sense it and resent it, but don't see it clearly. Economically most will never attain foothold in the upper middle class.” — I’m not sure I buy that either. Kids in my generation scooped ice cream and washed dishes in high school as their first jobs. We set up lemonade stands in the summer, shoveled snow in the winter. Nowadays there are lots of under-30 billionaires as role models; dozens of Fortune 500 CEOs practically still in diapers. We never had that as kids. Sure, houses are expensive, but the ‘upper middle class’ is probably younger than it’s ever been before. I stand by my S.F.B. characterization. Every one of these SFB kids is a disgrace and should spend a semester in Teheran. It’s their parents that scare me more than anything. chang -- Apples & oranges, I think. There's been a thousand cultural shifts between our youth years and now. Yes, we all worked summers and after school. I pumped gas, changed oil, fixed flats and swept the shop floor at an old-fashioned corner gas station. (I even got held up once at gunpoint. Loved that job!) Newspapers were delivered, burgers were flipped, summer camp counselors blew their whistles and watched swimming pools. With minimum wage laws, changing technology and labor restriction, millions of jobs for teens and college kids have vanished. Middle class kids are out-hustled by new immigrants for the lowest work -- bussing tables, washing dishes, mowing lawns. (A competition that didn't exist a generation ago.)old-time I've mentioned in a previous post that today's ratio of home prices to average post-grad starting salaries is obscene compared to our situation back then. California's min wage laws will effectively kill the few remaining fast food jobs for kids. |
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Post by mnfish on May 3, 2024 11:56:43 GMT
Mustang , "I liked what the California Highway Patrol did at UCLA. They uncovered the faces of those arrested so the public could see who they were. With AI background checks I hope all potential employers see this and turn them down." I'm sure they will be able to find teaching jobs at many universities. I read an article in the LA Times where a young girl protesting said she wanted to get arrested, just not for a felony. So, a little bit of forward thinking. |
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Post by Chahta on May 3, 2024 15:05:03 GMT
I find it HARD to believe anyone would even post this poll. WOW. This is a "part of the problem" type of post. |
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Post by Chahta on May 3, 2024 15:12:52 GMT
I chose Hamas not because they were my favorite, but because I hoped it entitled me to ask a question of the group. Why does a group of 2 million people (Gazans) allow themselves to be manipulated by Hamas? I know this sounds short sighted and naive. but any attempts would be welcome. catdog Because everything is tribal and has been tribal for a long time. |
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Post by Chahta on May 3, 2024 15:21:35 GMT
richardsok : "Secondly -- today's kids really DO have a valid beef; they sense it and resent it, but don't see it clearly. Economically most will never attain foothold in the upper middle class. I think it was Victor Davis Hanson who wrote about their plight in THE DYING CITIZEN as they will spend their lives renting from the managerial classes ( including, incidentally, Jewish landlords! ) but owning little." I don't believe this. These kids didn't have a forced draft like we did, into Vietnam. They didn't have to deal with patriotism in WW2, like their grandparents and great grandparents. Sure economic times might be a little tough, but get two jobs like many of our parents did. Work your ass off.
I have 2 very lazy grandsons. No college and nearly no HS. What a friggin waste of brain power and earning power. You speak of the lazy ones not the successful ones. Today's kids have had it VERY easy. But it began with the pandering politicians that promote the "poor me, blame someone else" attitude instead of "get your ass in gear" attitude.
As far as VDH goes, his point was the progressive politicians caused "The Dying Citizen". Destroying the middle class, open borders and more are the causes he cites. He also is a Professor Emeritus at my alma mater.
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Post by Mustang on May 3, 2024 16:20:45 GMT
I have two theories on the loco-fringe of today's uber-left college kids. First -- I have clear memories of 1969-1972, thereabouts. Back then, to be VERY loud and flamboyant with your anti-Johnson & Nixon buttons, pro Vietcong patches on grungy denim, and pacifist posturing was THE royal road to maximizing recreational sex opportunities. You needed the necessary props. Big hair, wild beard and a bullhorn helped immensely. I suspect today's pro-Palestine generation rhymes . Secondly -- today's kids really DO have a valid beef; they sense it and resent it, but don't see it clearly. Economically most will never attain foothold in the upper middle class. I think it was Victor Davis Hanson who wrote about their plight in THE DYING CITIZEN as they will spend their lives renting from the managerial classes ( including, incidentally, Jewish landlords! ) but owning little. But it's hard for the young to get all riled up about inflation. They have short life experiences, after all, and no one wants to be allied with housewives banging pots in the street. Far better to be a fierce justice warrior. With a pose like that, even the losers can get lucky. I have a very clear memory of 1969-1972. Not being college bound, the draft was clearly on my mind after a close friend was drafted in 1969. I chose the Air Force instead. I remember being called a baby killer. I remember being told it was unsafe traveling in uniform in the United States.
I started college when I was 25. The academic counselor told be she could tell the difference between a high school grad and a veteran. High schoolers didn't care about making money. They just wanted to study something interesting. Veterans wanted to major in something that would land them a good paying job.
As an assistant professor (AFROTC) I was counseling a cadet (a college sophomore) who was borrowing to the max so he could have the college experience including living in a dorm. His parents lived only a few blocks from the college. I showed him how to budget: what his income would be, what his expenses would be and how much would be left over. He moved back in with his parents to finish the last two years.
Today's kids do not have a valid beef. Their beef is far less than those in 1969. They do not have the draft hanging over their heads and the 1969-1972 graduates graduated into one of our worse recessions in history. Into high unemployment and double-digit inflation. I left the Air Force in 1973 (later rejoining) and couldn't get a decent job. I finally found one at minimum wage. It took a year to get a better job in a factory.
What they have had is a life of social promotions and participation trophies. There has not been a generation before now that believed they were owed something just because they breathe air. Our great-grandparents traveled by covered wagon. Our grandparents lost their farms and our parents grew up having nothing in the great depression. Even baby boomers were expected to work when they were young and as adults lived though the stagflation. My kids worked earning their spending money in high school. I had the money to give them but they needed to learn to work for things they wanted.
If today's college students believe they have a valid beef then they have truly had a very privileged life. If they cannot make it to upper middle class its because of under-water-basket-weaving degrees, a weak work ethic and poor spending priorities.
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Post by Norbert on May 3, 2024 17:15:55 GMT
MustangGreat post! I do see a difference between today's protesters and those of the 1960s-1970s. * The Berkeley Free Speech issue revolved around "free speech" on campus; today we have Cancel Culture, the polar opposite. * Marches for desegregation in the South (or against South African apartheid) dealt with true social injustice, now resolved with new laws. No identity politics; MLK spoke about skin color being of no importance; today it's all about identity politics; post-Marxist intersectional thinking. * The Vietnam War remains a legitimately controversial issue, in my opinion; basically pushed by LBJ to look tough; cheering terrorists like Hamas is something altogether different. FWIW.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2024 17:48:30 GMT
I deleted my django account with Big Bang because of the disgust and dismay I felt after reading Norbert's post and some of the replies. This may be on only post as dj I make at Big Bang but I felt something I heard recently might land with some of you.
I heard an interview with Rabbi Sharon Brous. Granted, she is a progressive peace activist, but something she said rang true for me. To paraphrase Rabbi Sharon Brous, "Holocaust education has worked. Agree with it or not, many of these protesting kids think they are witnessing a genocide in Gaza. They are standing up and screaming and yelling about it...how can anyone who is Jewish think that is wrong."
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Post by Chahta on May 3, 2024 18:54:26 GMT
I deleted my django account with Big Bang because of the disgust and dismay I felt after reading Norbert's post and some of the replies. This may be on only post as dj I make at Big Bang but I felt something I heard recently might land with some of you. I heard an interview with Rabbi Sharon Brous. Granted, she is a progressive peace activist, but something she said rang true for me. To paraphrase Rabbi Sharon Brous, "Holocaust education has worked. Agree with it or not, many of these protesting kids think they are witnessing a genocide in Gaza. They are standing up and screaming and yelling about it...how can anyone who is Jewish think that is wrong." Good bye django (dj). Your deletion is a protest and I get it. I guess Brous (I have not heard of her before) is the woke version of Netanyahu. I suppose one could overlook the aggressive attack by Hamas cutting babies heads off etc., levelling the WTC and all other terrorist attacks. The Jews have always been part of the civilized world. Not so much the terrorist organizations who operate strictly from hate. You said "...they think they are witnessing a genocide...". Since they only think they are witnessing, they should be better informed and know instead of think. That is exactly what college is about; knowing instead of thinking. It is called learning. Would these protesters then "know" that what Hamas did in an unprovoked attack is OK, in light of their "thinking" there is a genocide taking place? Truthfully, I would be more supportive of these protecters if they were paying attention to what is happening in this country. But alas, they are oblivious. I would like to know what the protesters think the answer is. Turin the other cheek forever? Just accept the fact that Hamas can do what they want unchecked? War is ugly and always has been. |
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Post by chang on May 3, 2024 19:05:44 GMT
Rabbi Sharon Brous: “Holocaust education has worked. Agree with it or not, many of these protesting kids think they are witnessing a genocide in Gaza. They are standing up and screaming and yelling about it...how can anyone who is Jewish think that is wrong.”
Of course it is wrong, because they (“these protesting kids”) are wrong. Never heard of this Rabbi Sharon Brous, but my first impression is not a good one. A very inarticulate statement. Does she agree with the “these protesting kids” or does she disagree with them? Does she think they’re wrong, but should be forgiven for misunderstanding past and current history? My guess is that she’s more part of the problem than the solution.
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Post by Capital on May 3, 2024 19:07:42 GMT
I deleted my django account with Big Bang because of the disgust and dismay I felt after reading Norbert's post and some of the replies. This may be on only post as dj I make at Big Bang but I felt something I heard recently might land with some of you. I heard an interview with Rabbi Sharon Brous. Granted, she is a progressive peace activist, but something she said rang true for me. To paraphrase Rabbi Sharon Brous, "Holocaust education has worked. Agree with it or not, many of these protesting kids think they are witnessing a genocide in Gaza. They are standing up and screaming and yelling about it...how can anyone who is Jewish think that is wrong." I find it sad that we lose a member of this community due to this thread. Will we ever learn? - I think not. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2024 19:11:25 GMT
I deleted my django account with Big Bang because of the disgust and dismay I felt after reading Norbert's post and some of the replies. This may be on only post as dj I make at Big Bang but I felt something I heard recently might land with some of you. I heard an interview with Rabbi Sharon Brous. Granted, she is a progressive peace activist, but something she said rang true for me. To paraphrase Rabbi Sharon Brous, "Holocaust education has worked. Agree with it or not, many of these protesting kids think they are witnessing a genocide in Gaza. They are standing up and screaming and yelling about it...how can anyone who is Jewish think that is wrong." Good bye django (dj). Your deletion is a protest and I get it. I guess Brous (I have not heard of her before) is the woke version of Netanyahu. I suppose one could overlook the aggressive attack by Hamas cutting babies heads off etc., levelling the WTC and all other terrorist attacks. The Jews have always been part of the civilized world. Not so much the terrorist organizations who operate strictly from hate. You said "...they think they are witnessing a genocide...". Since they only think they are witnessing, they should be better informed and know instead of think. That is exactly what college is about; knowing instead of thinking. It is called learning. Would these protesters then "know" that what Hamas did in an unprovoked attack is OK, in light of their "thinking" there is a genocide taking place? Truthfully, I would be more supportive of these protecters if they were paying attention to what is happening in this country. But alas, they are oblivious. Islam needs reformed, but if you think leveling Gaza and killing 10's of thousands of civilians who had nothing to do with Oct. 7th is how to get there, I don't know what to say. I'm sorry to say because I know how heartbreaking the attack and hostage taking by Hamas on Israel was to many, but if you are not even a little heartbroken by watching an emaciated Gazan boy digging through rubble trying to find his family then there is something wrong with you. |
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Post by fishingrod on May 3, 2024 19:14:21 GMT
While all of these posts are not political, it is still as dividing.
I wouldn't think of arguing about different religions here either. What is the point?
I kinda wish the market would tank so the conversation could change.
It is a shame one can not block single threads.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2024 19:24:51 GMT
Rabbi Sharon Brous: “Holocaust education has worked. Agree with it or not, many of these protesting kids think they are witnessing a genocide in Gaza. They are standing up and screaming and yelling about it...how can anyone who is Jewish think that is wrong.”Of course it is wrong, because they (“these protesting kids”) are wrong. Never heard of this Rabbi Sharon Brous, but my first impression is not a good one. A very inarticulate statement. Does she agree with the “these protesting kids” or does she disagree with them? Does she think they’re wrong, but should be forgiven for misunderstanding past and current history? My guess is that she’s more part of the problem than the solution. She also talked about the virulent anti-semitism she witnessed at the protests, but I don't believe she thought that represented the majority of protestors. If you have a few minutes, she represents herself better than I ever could. youtu.be/_Tmy_q1h5bo?si=HkpNiGx7tlvnE6KJ |
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Post by Chahta on May 3, 2024 19:26:21 GMT
Good bye django (dj). Your deletion is a protest and I get it. I guess Brous (I have not heard of her before) is the woke version of Netanyahu. I suppose one could overlook the aggressive attack by Hamas cutting babies heads off etc., levelling the WTC and all other terrorist attacks. The Jews have always been part of the civilized world. Not so much the terrorist organizations who operate strictly from hate. You said "...they think they are witnessing a genocide...". Since they only think they are witnessing, they should be better informed and know instead of think. That is exactly what college is about; knowing instead of thinking. It is called learning. Would these protesters then "know" that what Hamas did in an unprovoked attack is OK, in light of their "thinking" there is a genocide taking place? Truthfully, I would be more supportive of these protecters if they were paying attention to what is happening in this country. But alas, they are oblivious. Islam needs reformed, but if you think leveling Gaza and killing 10's of thousands of civilians who had nothing to do with Oct. 7th is how to get there, I don't know what to say. I'm sorry to say because I know how heartbreaking the attack and hostage taking by Hamas on Israel was to many, but if you are not even a little heartbroken by watching an emaciated Gazan boy digging through rubble trying to find his family then there is something wrong with you. I guarantee you there is nothing "wrong with me". The emaciated boy is a creation of Hamas not of Israel. They would rather see their own people suffer than have 1 Jew live. I watched some of that video you posted. Maybe she should be preaching to Hamas. As usual politics and religion do not mix well. |
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Post by chang on May 3, 2024 19:37:23 GMT
No one said they did not feel heartbroken by the suffering of the victims. That doesn’t change the fact that Hamas launches rockets from hospitals and uses children as human shields.
I am reminded of something Golda Meir said. “I can forgive the Arabs for killing our children, but I cannot forgive them for making us kill their children.”
There “is something wrong with you” if your culture embraces and glorifies violence and hatred.
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Post by Norbert on May 3, 2024 19:43:19 GMT
Good bye django (dj). Your deletion is a protest and I get it. I guess Brous (I have not heard of her before) is the woke version of Netanyahu. I suppose one could overlook the aggressive attack by Hamas cutting babies heads off etc., levelling the WTC and all other terrorist attacks. The Jews have always been part of the civilized world. Not so much the terrorist organizations who operate strictly from hate. You said "...they think they are witnessing a genocide...". Since they only think they are witnessing, they should be better informed and know instead of think. That is exactly what college is about; knowing instead of thinking. It is called learning. Would these protesters then "know" that what Hamas did in an unprovoked attack is OK, in light of their "thinking" there is a genocide taking place? Truthfully, I would be more supportive of these protecters if they were paying attention to what is happening in this country. But alas, they are oblivious. Islam needs reformed, but if you think leveling Gaza and killing 10's of thousands of civilians who had nothing to do with Oct. 7th is how to get there, I don't know what to say. I'm sorry to say because I know how heartbreaking the attack and hostage taking by Hamas on Israel was to many, but if you are not even a little heartbroken by watching an emaciated Gazan boy digging through rubble trying to find his family then there is something wrong with you. Sorry, but I have a German mom whose city, Kassel, was bombed in October 1943. There were 35,000 deaths, surely many innocent children among them. Unfortunately, that's the price they paid for allowing the Nazis to gain control and wage war. Kassel was hit with indiscriminate bombing of the city center. Very different than what the IDF is doing in Gaza. The problem is Hamas, which hides among civilians, attacks and tortures innocent civilians, built hundreds of kilometers of tunnels, and seeks the complete destruction of Israel. How do you fight terrorists who act like that? "Never again!" The Palestinians of Gaza not only voted in Hamas, but cheered them on after butchering 1100 people across the border. What do expect Israel to do? It's actually amazing how few Palestinians have been killed considering the situation. Hamas could end this tomorrow by releasing the hostages and surrendering. I am disgusted by the deaths of Palestinian kids, but blame Hamas terrorists, not the people they attacked. Israel has no choice but to eliminate Hamas. The pro-Palestinian demonstrators are idiots. |
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Post by bizman on May 3, 2024 20:46:26 GMT
Lance Morrow had a good op-ed in the WSJ yesterday, titled "The Grim Arithmetic of a Just War." An excerpt: "Demonstrators who call for the extinction of Israel and even for the killing of Jews are, at the very least, guilty of inexcusable naiveté about evil, terrorism and the darkness that, as experience teaches, may easily descend. They haven’t the knowledge of history or sense of tragedy to understand how horror—surreal and satanic—will suddenly evolve. It could happen here. Some of these people wish it would happen here. They promise that Oct. 7 will be repeated a thousand times.
That day, with its gleeful mutilations, its rampages, its rapes and beheadings, its baby-killing—such evil needs crushing, just as slavery needed crushing at Gettysburg, which was the turning point of the American Civil War. In three days, 50,000 men were killed or wounded there. Later, William Tecumseh Sherman’s march through the Southern heartland was more than a touch Carthaginian. A just war, no less than an unjust one, may involve tragic arithmetic."War is Hell, and has awful consequences. But should the allies have called a ceasefire and spared German cities the carpet-bombing that brought ultimate victory? Should Lincoln and Grant have made peace with the slaveholders? The questions answer themselves. In war, ultimately, one side or the other must win. The quickest way to end it is to give up. But if the good guys lose their nerve, the bad guys win and rule the world. This is a fate worse than the horrors of war. The time for mercy and help to rebuild is after victory has been achieved, like the Marshall Plan and the ally-building America and the victors did with the Axis powers after WWII. Life is hard and hard choices must be made. |
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Post by richardsok on May 3, 2024 22:05:49 GMT
I really wish dj would re-consider. The forum can't afford to lose his perspective.
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Back in October, when we all knew the IDF would strike back hard, I posted the USA should simply STAY OUT of the dirty work ahead. Israel is a wealthy country and can well afford to defend its borders. Yes, it's terrible that children are dying. So, yes, it's laudable that people angrily protest the horrors of this war. And, yes, it's true Hamas was elected by campaigning for violence against Jews -- so, yes, one might conclude the Palestinians get what they voted for.
And children die -- from US ordnance(!) -- shipped by us from a safe distance for our political expedience.... and it's terrible. ALL wars are terrible.
But conquest and domination are -- and always have been -- the mother's milk of Islam -- so one can feel sympathy for Christian & Jewish neighbors of mullahs everywhere. No one talks about editing the blood out of the Koran or mellowing into a coexisting Islam with equal rights for women like modern Christianity has done.
And, given their remembered history, no one expects modern Jews to turn the other cheek.
So it's OK to rage against this war, just so long as your rage erupted on October 7th. It's evil, this war. All of it. It's tragic.
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Post by anitya on May 4, 2024 0:52:30 GMT
Rabbi Sharon Brous: “Holocaust education has worked. Agree with it or not, many of these protesting kids think they are witnessing a genocide in Gaza. They are standing up and screaming and yelling about it...how can anyone who is Jewish think that is wrong.”Of course it is wrong, because they (“these protesting kids”) are wrong. Never heard of this Rabbi Sharon Brous, but my first impression is not a good one. A very inarticulate statement. Does she agree with the “these protesting kids” or does she disagree with them? Does she think they’re wrong, but should be forgiven for misunderstanding past and current history? My guess is that she’s more part of the problem than the solution. She also talked about the virulent anti-semitism she witnessed at the protests, but I don't believe she thought that represented the majority of protestors. If you have a few minutes, she represents herself better than I ever could. youtu.be/_Tmy_q1h5bo?si=HkpNiGx7tlvnE6KJWho is this Deleted Member? Still not reading this thread but Deleted Member caught my eye. |
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Post by chang on May 4, 2024 6:41:17 GMT
I’m sorry django decided to leave over this discussion, but that’s his choice. There aren’t always two sides to every issue. If this thread gets out of hand I’ll close it, but so far it hasn’t, which probably underscores my point. richardsok All wars are bad (was it Lincoln who said that there’s nothing good in war except its ending?) but I’d be careful with the word “evil”. In so many wars, one side is evil and the other not. This one is clearer than most. |
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Post by Norbert on May 4, 2024 8:44:37 GMT
Good bye django (dj). Your deletion is a protest and I get it. I guess Brous (I have not heard of her before) is the woke version of Netanyahu. I suppose one could overlook the aggressive attack by Hamas cutting babies heads off etc., levelling the WTC and all other terrorist attacks. The Jews have always been part of the civilized world. Not so much the terrorist organizations who operate strictly from hate. You said "...they think they are witnessing a genocide...". Since they only think they are witnessing, they should be better informed and know instead of think. That is exactly what college is about; knowing instead of thinking. It is called learning. Would these protesters then "know" that what Hamas did in an unprovoked attack is OK, in light of their "thinking" there is a genocide taking place? Truthfully, I would be more supportive of these protecters if they were paying attention to what is happening in this country. But alas, they are oblivious. Islam needs reformed, but if you think leveling Gaza and killing 10's of thousands of civilians who had nothing to do with Oct. 7th is how to get there, I don't know what to say. I'm sorry to say because I know how heartbreaking the attack and hostage taking by Hamas on Israel was to many, but if you are not even a little heartbroken by watching an emaciated Gazan boy digging through rubble trying to find his family then there is something wrong with you. I'm sorry for your pain and know that you're sincere, but please consider this ... If you care about the Gazan boy, do you really want him and all the other Palestinian kids growing up under the tutelage of Hamas? Learning to hate the Jews and focused on one thing only: the destruction of Israel? Wouldn't it be preferable if he could grow up in a free society that offers opportunity for happiness and prosperity? As bizman states, the elimination of evil can involve killing and war. War is horrible. But, all things considered, it's even worse to appease the evil forces, allowing them to terrorize and murder again and again. Hamas is pure evil. It cynically uses children, hospitals, and schools as shields for military advantage. Their actions on October 7 are unspeakable; every form of torture and mutilation you can imagine was used on innocent men, women, and children. The Palestinian leadership has condemned generations of Palestinians to poverty and insecurity by refusing compromise with Israel. Bill Clinton was able deliver a deal to Arafat at Camp David, giving the Palestinians a state with its capital in East Jerusalem, including virtually the entire West Bank and Gaza. Arafat refused because the Israelis wouldn't grant Palestinians the right of return to what is now Israel. As he well knew, that would have spelled the end of the Jewish state. |
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Post by Norbert on May 5, 2024 4:37:19 GMT
Polarizing threads do not serve any purpose on a primarily investing discussion forum. I feel that this thread is polarizing existing members of this forum. One already left. What did we accomplish? Do what you want with my opinion. Just a shot across the bow. I guess antisemitism is everywhere. Your post reeks of it. When the Germans invaded the rest of Europe, no one suggested we avoid bombing German cities. About 500,000 civilians were killed. Next we used the atomic bomb on two Japanese cities to end the war with minimal US casualties. No US campus protests then. After 9/11, no one I know cheered Al-Qaïda and Bin Laden. President Bush launched the war on terror. An estimated 300,000 civilians died in Iraq and 70,000 in Afghanistan. NATO stood by the US. But, Israel was attacked this time, so it's different. Nevermind that stopping Palestinian terror is existential for them. How exactly can Israel destroy Hamas without military action? They're embedded among civilians; hospitals, schools, and mosques are used for military ends. Plus tunnels connect everything and Hamas has near total support from the Palestinian population. Meanwhile, Iran is supplying missiles to every terrorist group in the region and doing nuclear weapons research. I'll refrain from stating what I think of your attitude out of respect to the forum. 🇮🇱 |
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Post by chang on May 5, 2024 5:43:47 GMT
Had to lock the thread, and sorry Richard but that post could not stand. Time to shift the focus back to investing, if no one minds too much.
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