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Post by FD1000 on Jan 22, 2024 13:58:26 GMT
I have been doing the following for a couple of years now.
I record all the live sports I love, and then start watching them 60-90 minutes later depending on the sport.
Then, I just fast forward thru all the annoying ads. It's just beautiful to get the real action and commentary without all the junk.
Actually, I do it with the news too. We like one nightly news, so I record it and start watching 15-20 minutes later.
We have been using sharing(for 1/2 the price) YouTube TV for a couple of years after cutting the cord.
We rarely I forget to record a program, but if we do, I used Hulu. Hulu is annoying, the recording is available 1-2 days later and for several shows you can't fast forward. I just had Hulu for one year for $1.99 per month and then cancelled it.
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Post by retiredat48 on Jan 22, 2024 16:09:07 GMT
Taping/viewing...standard practice for me.
R48
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Post by johntaylor on Jan 23, 2024 0:35:39 GMT
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Post by richardsok on Jan 23, 2024 15:39:02 GMT
If you forget to pre-record any major football game you can catch a 15-20 minutes condensation of the major action (with minimal or zero commercials) by going to youtube and entering HIGHLIGHTS PACKERS for example or HIGHLIGHTS (any team). I too am fed up with wasting my life on commercial advertisements, especially NFL broadcasts.
Is it just me getting older, or are the current commercials becoming more irritating?
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Post by FD1000 on Jan 27, 2024 5:08:23 GMT
Yep, if you let Americans make the rules, it's all about the commercials. The big 3 = baseball, football, basketball
An average professional football game lasts 3 hours and 12 minutes, but if you tally up the time when the ball is actually in play, the action amounts to a mere 11 minutes. Part of the discrepancy has to do with the basic rules of American football.
But how much actual action takes place in a baseball game? We decided to find out. By WSJ calculations, a baseball fan will see 17 minutes and 58 seconds of action over the course of a three-hour game.
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Post by archer on Jan 27, 2024 5:45:55 GMT
Yep, if you let Americans make the rules, it's all about the commercials. The big 3 = baseball, football, basketball An average professional football game lasts 3 hours and 12 minutes, but if you tally up the time when the ball is actually in play, the action amounts to a mere 11 minutes. Part of the discrepancy has to do with the basic rules of American football. But how much actual action takes place in a baseball game? We decided to find out. By WSJ calculations, a baseball fan will see 17 minutes and 58 seconds of action over the course of a three-hour game. Beats golf! A PGA Golf tournament typically last 4 days. Over the course of those 4 days I wonder how many minutes the ball is in play. Or how about shooting tournaments, total time that the bullet is in play. LOL! Tennis, basketball, and soccer are probably have the most play time. |
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Post by chang on Jan 27, 2024 8:33:06 GMT
Yep, if you let Americans make the rules, it's all about the commercials. The big 3 = baseball, football, basketball An average professional football game lasts 3 hours and 12 minutes, but if you tally up the time when the ball is actually in play, the action amounts to a mere 11 minutes. Part of the discrepancy has to do with the basic rules of American football. But how much actual action takes place in a baseball game? We decided to find out. By WSJ calculations, a baseball fan will see 17 minutes and 58 seconds of action over the course of a three-hour game. Beats golf! A PGA Golf tournament typically last 4 days. Over the course of those 4 days I wonder how many minutes the ball is in play. Or how about shooting tournaments, total time that the bullet is in play. LOL! Tennis, basketball, and soccer are probably have the most play time. On the other hand, basketball and soccer are the most boring games to watch, followed by tennis. Golf can actually be the biggest nail-biter of them all. Personally I find basketball just painful to watch. Why don't they just give each team 100 points and let them play for 5 minutes? The result would be exactly the same, and it would be much less boring. |
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Post by racqueteer on Jan 27, 2024 13:39:58 GMT
As a former serious tennis player, golf always puzzled me and became the butt of my joking (jokes that were probably only funny to me, however). Clearly, with the plethora of golf jokes which exist, I'm not the only one who feels that way. Am I the only one, for example, who found it odd that tv announcers would be whispering when players were on the green; even though they were a mile away from the action? And hitting the ball as far as one can and then walking after it? Who though that was a good idea (note: now everyone hops in a cart!)? At least in tennis it is the other guy who has to retrieve your shot! I do have to say that the various dark jokes about dragging one's dead spouse around the course to finish a round were funny, though!
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Post by flipperxxx on Jan 27, 2024 13:45:32 GMT
maybe someone already said this but within minutes after a game is over, NFL posts the highlights on youtube, always 12 to 15 minutes long, all the action and none of the halftime blather, etc etc. and just enuf time for me to whip through a bag of popcorn. clappity-clap-clap!
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Post by racqueteer on Jan 27, 2024 14:03:53 GMT
On the other hand, basketball and soccer are the most boring games to watch, followed by tennis. With the advent of predominantly baseline tennis, I can't disagree too much. I always played serve and volley and looked forward to Wimbledon and Forest Hills. The absolute worst I recall was Borg vs. Vilas on clay courts. They'd play a 4-hour match with multiple fifty-ball rallies (while hitting the ball at moderate speed, three feet over the net), and Borg would win 6-2, 6-2! Just brutal! |
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Post by Chahta on Jan 27, 2024 14:20:26 GMT
Beats golf! A PGA Golf tournament typically last 4 days. Over the course of those 4 days I wonder how many minutes the ball is in play. Or how about shooting tournaments, total time that the bullet is in play. LOL! Tennis, basketball, and soccer are probably have the most play time. On the other hand, basketball and soccer are the most boring games to watch, followed by tennis. Golf can actually be the biggest nail-biter of them all. I agree about soccer and tennis. But basketball live, close to the floor is exciting to watch. On TV not so much because you need to see the entire court. Until I started going to local college basketball live, I didn't have that appreciation. The thing that makes any sport interesting to watch is how much you know and participate in the sport you watch. I worked with a guy from Holland years ago. He thought baseball was a "stupid" sport. I explained to him it was stupid to him because it is an American sport he did not grow up with. Almost every American kid grows up playing baseball. The psychology in baseball is only really understood if you play and watch it. |
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Post by chang on Jan 27, 2024 15:01:05 GMT
Chahta I agree with you about baseball. But basketball — no. Watching basketball is about as interesting as reading the in-flight magazine on Air Belgium.
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Post by FD1000 on Jan 27, 2024 15:05:24 GMT
Chahta , +1 I played basketball over 40 years, soccer over 20, tennis over 10 and why I apricate the skills. I can see stuff and analyze these pretty well. I also like to see athletes that are in a great shape. That means dripping sweat while doing it. I also want to see the best in that sport, why waist time on lower levels. A great match is best if it ends in 2-2.5 hours. That fits soccer. I wish they decrease the number of players to 9 and eliminate the offside which will result in 6-10 goals. To see the best players in the world, watch Europe. I don't watch much, but the best players are amazing. The world cup is great too. Basketball games used to be 2-2.5 hours. It is now over 3. I start watching the games only during the playoff and only the best teams. A combo of American + Europeans = great teams. Watching live at the court is terrible, too long, too much noise, commercials and people moving in front of you. Watching on a huge TV + good surround sound = great. The game is faster and more interesting because the guards took over. Slow big men are history. You need to know the players, type of defense, the subs and when to do it, the roles, what combos of players are better, when to take the shot, when to pass and create better shots, a player can have great talent but not win the title, it's a team sport. If you don't the above, it look very simplistic. Football is great, but too many ads and long preparation, not enough play. I only watch the best teams. Too many rules and why several referees and analysts scratch their heads. Baseball and golf are not sports IMO = not much sweating or dripping and very slow. They are tough to master, especially golf. I can't watch something slow that takes hours(baseball) or days(golf). College sport? not so much. I usually watch the last 4 teams in the finals.
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Post by Chahta on Jan 27, 2024 16:04:09 GMT
Chahta I agree with you about baseball. But basketball — no. Watching basketball is about as interesting as reading the in-flight magazine on Air Belgium. Go to a college game and buy the best ticket you can court side. So much energy. Several years ago, before I moved, I bought season tickets for a couple of years. I got to know the players. It was great. Sorry FD, sports are not defined only as sports if they have aerobic activity. Baseball, golf, hunting, bowling and fishing are all sports. Sports have hand/eye coordination and a lot of thought process involved. To understand and enjoy an activity as a sport, one must be able to understand it from the players perspective. Try telling a weight lifter or shot put, discus or javelin throwers they are not involved in sports. Putting it in perspective, sports are like investing. Income is just as real as TR investing. 😀 |
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Post by archer on Jan 27, 2024 16:33:37 GMT
I have trouble prioritizing my time in a way that allows me to watch sports much at all. I try to catch the playoff games with basketball when my local warriors are playing. The've had some good years in the past, but I haven't kept up with them this year to see how they are doing. And, I watch only the last football game of the year. Often I don't know who is playing until the day I watch.
With basketball, for the quality of capturing on camera, it really depends on who has the rights. I have always found the capture to be quite satisfactory with a balance of full court for perspective and closer up for the action to see the plays. However last year I watched a game from a remote location where I didn't have my usual network and it was horrible. It pretty much showed the game through a fisheye lens.
I'm a bit bothered by the disparity in pay between male and female pro basketball players. I get that women's basketball isn't bringing in the revenue, but the promoters could change that rather than leaving money on the table. Same with soccer vs football. Average pay for pro soccer, even in Europe is an infinitesimal fraction of american pro football, and it is every bit as popular in Europe as football is in the US. Globally Soccer has a greater following. My dentists son moved to Europe to play pro soccer and was earning a measly $30K per year. He quit and came back to the states and made much better coaching college soccer for games that weren't even televised.
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Post by retiredat48 on Jan 27, 2024 16:43:09 GMT
As a former serious tennis player, golf always puzzled me and became the butt of my joking (jokes that were probably only funny to me, however). Clearly, with the plethora of golf jokes which exist, I'm not the only one who feels that way. Am I the only one, for example, who found it odd that tv announcers would be whispering when players were on the green; even though they were a mile away from the action? Perhaps it is that you are unaware some of those golf announcers are in greenside booths on selected holes, and thus kept voices lowered. R48 |
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Post by retiredat48 on Jan 27, 2024 16:48:02 GMT
FD1000, retiredat48, johntaylor, richardsok, archer, chang, racqueteer, flipperxxx, Chahta,... So, two trivia questions: Q1. When athletes from various sports retire, what is the number one recreation activity they take up/engage in?? I'll help...answer is GOLF (It is the greatest sport there is.) I played 13 sports, and if I had to choose one (for life) it would be golf. Q2. OK, when pro golfers retire, what is the number one activity they engage in?? R48
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Post by archer on Jan 27, 2024 16:53:17 GMT
As a former serious tennis player, golf always puzzled me and became the butt of my joking (jokes that were probably only funny to me, however). Clearly, with the plethora of golf jokes which exist, I'm not the only one who feels that way. Am I the only one, for example, who found it odd that tv announcers would be whispering when players were on the green; even though they were a mile away from the action? Perhaps it is that you are unaware some of those golf announcers are in greenside booths on selected holes, and thus kept voices lowered. R48 True, but why don't they raise their voices with enthusiasm when the putt is successful, as if it were a touchdown? All sports have their own unique emotional quality which I appreciate. Golf is kinda like a meditation retreat. |
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Post by archer on Jan 27, 2024 17:04:26 GMT
FD1000 , retiredat48 , johntaylor , richardsok , archer , chang , racqueteer , flipperxxx , Chahta ,... So, two trivia questions: Q1. When athletes from various sports retire, what is the number one recreation activity they take up/engage in?? I'll help...answer is GOLF (It is the greatest sport there is.) I played 13 sports, and if I had to choose one (for life) it would be golf. Q2. OK, when pro golfers retire, what is the number one activity they engage in?? R48 IF they retire. Hale Irwin still tours with the PGA where he made his debut in 1968! Allen Doyal first qualified for PGA at age 46, well past the expiration date for most other sports. |
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Post by retiredat48 on Jan 27, 2024 17:28:09 GMT
Perhaps it is that you are unaware some of those golf announcers are in greenside booths on selected holes, and thus kept voices lowered. R48 True, but why don't they raise their voices with enthusiasm when the putt is successful, as if it were a touchdown? All sports have their own unique emotional quality which I appreciate. Golf is kinda like a meditation retreat. Yes, they do...but golf has The Ryder Cup, with attendant huge cheering like other sports events. I'm glad to have attended several Ryder Cup events. Announcers similarly affected with high spirits at Ryder Cups. R48 |
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Post by mnfish on Jan 27, 2024 18:01:50 GMT
True, but why don't they raise their voices with enthusiasm when the putt is successful, as if it were a touchdown? All sports have their own unique emotional quality which I appreciate. Golf is kinda like a meditation retreat. Yes, they do...but golf has The Ryder Cup, with attendant huge cheering like other sports events. I'm glad to have attended several Ryder Cup events. Announcers similarly affected with high spirits at Ryder Cups. R48 I agree. I attended the Ryder Cup at Hazeltine in 2016 and was lucky enough to see Patrick Reed "hole out" from 150yds on a par 5 for eagle and win the hole. The place went nuts! Every hole was packed with fans from the tees to the greens. |
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Post by richardsok on Jan 27, 2024 18:14:48 GMT
Retired sports stars turn to golf because it is as much a social activity as a sport, giving the ex-jocks plenty of leisurely time to glow in the adulation of fellow links duffers --- something they'd become accustomed to in college and among the pros. Tee up and have the ol' ego re-stroked all over again.... except on tony golf courses you have a better class of adoring fans.
As posted earlier, the best TV sport is football -- so long as you've pre-recorded it and can zip past the interminable messaging.
I think baseball is dying. Don't understand how they can maintain those massive salaries with half empty stadiums and dismal viewership. It's a great game to play (I remember) but awfully dull to watch.
Maybe it's me, but I do feel sport stars of yore were more accessible, more personable than today's jocks. Jimmy Conners, McEnroe, Ali, Billie Jean King Larry Csonka, Borg, Bart Starr, Yogi Berra, The Mick, Ken (The Snake) Stabler, Crissy Evert, Frazier, Fran Tarkenton (I could go name dropping for an hour) -- they all have personas crystal clear in our memories as if they were starring today. But with a few notable exceptions (like Mahomes and Rogers) I don;t have the slightest image of today's players. Are they more distant and bland because of the massive wealth? Or are they all corporatized? The game of football is faster than it used to be; much lighter protective padding, receivers built like cheetahs and linemen bulked up on steroids -- but personalities all seem to fade into a vulgar kind of sameness.
As for boxing, who is the current heavyweight champion? Astonishing I don't even know.
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Post by racqueteer on Jan 27, 2024 18:31:28 GMT
Sorry FD, sports are not defined only as sports if they have aerobic activity. Baseball, golf, hunting, bowling and fishing are all sports. Sports have hand/eye coordination and a lot of thought process involved. To understand and enjoy an activity as a sport, one must be able to understand it from the players perspective. Try telling a weight lifter or shot put, discus or javelin throwers they are not involved in sports. Definitions tend to be fluid in this case. Granted, one's opinion of what does, or does not, constitute a 'sport' may be less than compelling, but there are (imo) games requiring skill that I don't personally consider to be 'sports'. I was, in many cases, a decent practitioner of said games. For me, a sport requires a noticeable degree of physical exertion. A game may require physical activity, but is focused around precision/repeatability. So, yes, such things as weightlifting, shot, discus, and javelin are sports. Bowling, golf, pool, shooting, fishing not. Table tennis, played at a high level is a sport, but as most play it, not. Baseball is kind of an oddball (imo) the pitcher and catcher are definitely engaged in an athletic pursuit, but may be the only ones at times  .
That's not to denigrate 'games'. They often require enormous skill and precision. I've bowled 300 on multiple occasions; still a game. Shot handguns competitively; game. Won a lot of money in college playing pool; game. Fished seriously for maybe 20 years; game. College champ and played the US nationals in table tennis (quarterfinals in doubles); sport. Pitched high school and played third base and outfield; sport when I pitched or hit; game when I was guarding third base or outfield. Basketball, tennis; sports. Soccer; tennis without the arms  - sport! |
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Post by Chahta on Jan 27, 2024 22:14:53 GMT
Sorry FD, sports are not defined only as sports if they have aerobic activity. Baseball, golf, hunting, bowling and fishing are all sports. Sports have hand/eye coordination and a lot of thought process involved. To understand and enjoy an activity as a sport, one must be able to understand it from the players perspective. Try telling a weight lifter or shot put, discus or javelin throwers they are not involved in sports. Definitions tend to be fluid in this case. Granted, one's opinion of what does, or does not, constitute a 'sport' may be less than compelling, but there are (imo) games requiring skill that I don't personally consider to be 'sports'. I was, in many cases, a decent practitioner of said games. For me, a sport requires a noticeable degree of physical exertion. A game may require physical activity, but is focused around precision/repeatability. So, yes, such things as weightlifting, shot, discus, and javelin are sports. Bowling, golf, pool, shooting, fishing not. Table tennis, played at a high level is a sport, but as most play it, not. Baseball is kind of an oddball (imo) the pitcher and catcher are definitely engaged in an athletic pursuit, but may be the only ones at times .
That's not to denigrate 'games'. They often require enormous skill and precision. I've bowled 300 on multiple occasions; still a game. Shot handguns competitively; game. Won a lot of money in college playing pool; game. Fished seriously for maybe 20 years; game. College champ and played the US nationals in table tennis (quarterfinals in doubles); sport. Pitched high school and played third base and outfield; sport when I pitched or hit; game when I was guarding third base or outfield. Basketball, tennis; sports. Soccer; tennis without the arms - sport! LOL. Never seen an outfielder chase down a fly ball and jump or slide to catch it. I believe income investing is just as viable as TR investing. Just a choice. |
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Post by FD1000 on Jan 27, 2024 23:42:28 GMT
Sure, there are games that need precision, eye coordination but you can be fat, slow and great.
Well, in that case chess is a sport too. You need precision, think fast and probably be in shape more than fishing and curling.
Raq, Borg was the most boring tennis player of all times. I stopped watching tennis for years.
Baseball, is it funny to have a pinch runner because the fat guy can't run?
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Post by Chahta on Jan 28, 2024 2:53:19 GMT
This is why I told the Dutch guy he didn’t understand the game. It’s because the fat guy can throw a curve ball that a fast guy can’t. It’s called strategy. And that generally happens in later innings when pitchers are being substituted anyway.
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Post by racqueteer on Jan 28, 2024 14:12:33 GMT
As with most, I spent a large portion of my youthful years playing baseball. For most of a game, only three people are truly active: pitcher, catcher, and batter. The better the pitcher, the less anyone else has to do. Obviously, there are going to be highly-skilled people on the field at times, but there's a lot of standing around involved!
Other sports may involve little actual time in competition, but huge amounts in preparation: much track, swimming, weightlifting, gymnastics, and wrestling come immediately to mind. "Sport" covers a lot of diverse activity.
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Post by Mustang on Jan 28, 2024 18:27:55 GMT
I've played a lot of these sports and have no desire to watch them on TV. From most boring to least boring: bowling, golf, tennis, baseball, basketball and football. Track and field events rank down around bowling and and golf. I think watching professional poker is more exciting than golf. I like to watch auto racing. But not open wheel unless its on a dirt track. That includes open wheel road courses. All they do is run single file most of the time. I do like NASCAR. They race on super speedways, on dirt, on road courses, on city streets, and in arenas. Super speedways are near 200 mph with a line of a dozen or more drafting a few inches apart. But on most tracks NASCAR is a contact sport. A slower car won't let someone pass, they encourage it to move over with the bumper. Every track is different but Darlington is famous for cars rubbing the wall. A couple of years ago Chastain drove his car well past the limits putting it against the wall under full acceleration. NASCAR how now banned such maneuvers. Last year there was a wreck at the finish and one car finished in the top five running in reverse. Drivers can't do any of that with open wheel cars. Even though I used to drag race I really can't watch it on TV... on TV its boring. I sometimes like to watch professional rodeo. Rodeo is not a game. Its a sport that takes skill and guts. I cannot imaging riding a bull that wants to kill you with broken ribs. But some professional bull riders have done that.
And of the sports I watch I tape and watch. All sports have commercials and boring times that need to be skipped over.
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Post by racqueteer on Jan 28, 2024 20:20:07 GMT
And that's a whole other issue, Mustang ; what is enjoyable to watch; as opposed to participating in? A lot of that is going be individual taste. plus holding one's attention. For that last part, familiarity with/knowledge of the activity is at least helpful. Driving, for example: I enjoy doing it, but not watching it; especially with only endless left-hand turns!
The current crop of tennis isn't particularly fun for me to watch either, though I enormously respect the physicality of the current champions. It used to be that no one over 6' (Laver, Rosewall, Borg, McEnroe, Conners) could really be competitive on clay. Stan Smith at 6'3" and Sampras, at 6'1", were giants, and not known for their clay skills. Now, the average competitor on all surfaces is 6'2" or taller (Djokovic, Nadal, Federer are all right around that figure)! The physical skills on display are simply jaw dropping!
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Post by archer on Jan 28, 2024 21:58:37 GMT
+1 on the auto racing. I like watching formula 1 races. It a much more physical sport than it looks. The drivers have intensive workout routines needed to handle the G forces. Ever notice their necks?
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