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Post by fishingrod on Aug 1, 2021 0:03:37 GMT
We should surely have much more info on efficacy of each vaccine. Hopefully the "losers" will change to the winning formula, above profit. Or should it be mandated by Gov't.?
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Post by Capital on Aug 1, 2021 0:09:24 GMT
We should surely have much more info on efficacy of each vaccine. Hopefully the "losers" will change to the winning formula, above profit. Or should it be mandated by Gov't.? fishingrod the problem is that the virus continues to mutate. As those vacinated are infected with the virus it will learn how to defeat the the vaccine. A virus can mutate much faster that we can keep up with it. With people not getting vaccinated and remaining incubators for the virus we will have wave after wave of new strains developing from prior strains. If we do not get enough people vaccinated the only hope will be that enough of the unvaccinated die that the remaining unvaccinatged incubators will not be of an number that will be sufficient to allow the virus to continue to come roaring back time and time again in a slightly different form. I truly detest that outcome but I am not the one making the decision for others who do not want to get vaccinated.
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Post by fishingrod on Aug 1, 2021 0:26:11 GMT
History repeats itself, not a copy, but it rhymes.
Fishingrod
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Post by Chahta on Aug 1, 2021 0:27:16 GMT
Ok. Is it a booster shot or the same shot? Can I walk in and get it? If the push is to get more vaccinated then shouldn’t there be a push to get a booster, whatever that is? Monday I will call the hospital where I was vaxed and ask for the booster.
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Post by fishingrod on Aug 1, 2021 0:35:37 GMT
I agree Chahta , We need more guidance , but we have yet to get the majority the first vaccine. All good things come in time.
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Post by steelpony10 on Aug 1, 2021 1:20:48 GMT
It’s worldwide and may mutate and travel seasonally for awhile still. Boosters may be yearly like a flu shot. The Black Plague is still around in Mongolia. I saw China has that under control. Lol.* It shouldn’t effect markets as much as 2020. Low rates lack of applicants for jobs etc. The world keeps limping along.
Survival of the most fit is nature’s law. My daughter and her husband who are vaccinated along with their 12 year old are traveling with their 2 unvaccinated children to Arkansas and surrounding states next week. I have little concern at this point for idiots including my own.
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Post by fishingrod on Aug 1, 2021 1:24:09 GMT
"Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself." -Rumi.
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Post by racqueteer on Aug 1, 2021 11:40:22 GMT
We should surely have much more info on efficacy of each vaccine. Hopefully the "losers" will change to the winning formula, above profit. Or should it be mandated by Gov't.? fishingrod the problem is that the virus continues to mutate. As those vacinated are infected with the virus it will learn how to defeat the the vaccine. A virus can mutate much faster that we can keep up with it. With people not getting vaccinated and remaining incubators for the virus we will have wave after wave of new strains developing from prior strains. If we do not get enough people vaccinated the only hope will be that enough of the unvaccinated die that the remaining unvaccinatged incubators will not be of an number that will be sufficient to allow the virus to continue to come roaring back time and time again in a slightly different form. I truly detest that outcome but I am not the one making the decision for others who do not want to get vaccinated. THIS is the concern, and a topic seemingly not being considered. We were unreasonably lucky that the first seriously contagious virus in some time was ALSO fairly nonlethal. We had a worldwide pandemic which had a comparatively low death toll. Imagine, if you can, a virus which is 90% lethal (as some have been), but ALSO very contagious (which we've avoided). The outcome would have been horrific. NOW, imagine the current virus being widespread and ineffectively avoided (lots of hosts), resulting in an unlimited opportunity to mutate. Anyone care to wager the lives of 90% of the Earth's inhabitants that we won't get a mutation which leads to a doomsday outcome? We're WAY overdue for one of these, and it won't be limited to, say, Europe this time. Antibiotics have kept this kind of outcome at bay; now they are becoming ineffective. MAYBE we'll get new technology which will further forestall this outcome (m-RNA?), but the clock's ticking!
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Post by Chahta on Aug 1, 2021 12:17:28 GMT
I agree Chahta , We need more guidance , but we have yet to get the majority the first vaccine. All good things come in time. Long before all (will never be all) are vaxed there will be the need and plan ahead for boosters. I just want those in charge to speak to the need. Alas they are too busy trying to screw each other and us. OK, I know masks are the answer because Fauci said so, then said not, then said so.......
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Post by uncleharley on Aug 1, 2021 12:39:21 GMT
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Post by paulr888 on Aug 1, 2021 15:44:38 GMT
As Dr. Fauci's understanding of the virus and disease evolved since early 2020 his recommendations have evolved. I am overly tired of hearing about a flip flop. He is the world's preeminent expert on infectious disease who has dedicated his life to his profession. Now he needs security to protect his life and family. Simply ridiculous and very sad commentary on what we have descended to.
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Post by Norbert on Aug 1, 2021 15:55:49 GMT
Monday morning quarterbacks are everywhere ...
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Post by Mustang on Aug 1, 2021 21:04:25 GMT
Antibiotics have no affect on viruses. They help the body fight off bacterial infections.
There are hundreds of different flues. I read a couple of years ago that they guess which ones will become prevalent and then create a vaccine for the three worst. That is what is in the annual flu shot. It does not protect the individual against all flues.
I do not know why but the discussion has been perverted a bit when talking about vaccinated vs. those not vaccinated. It should be the immune vs. those not immune. People like my son who have had COVID-19 are immune. Some limited studies have suggested that their immunity is stronger than those who were vaccinated. Other limited studies say the opposite. I don't think anyone really knows right now. Most of the editorials are pure speculation. It was once reported that 40% of those who contracted the disease showed no symptoms. They had antibodies from other infections that was close enough to kill the virus. A doctor being interviewed today said that 15-25% of those who have not had the shots have natural immunity from having had the disease. That means there are far less not immune than is being suggested by the vaccination discussion.
Masks? We were originally told that the fabric did not have a tight enough weave to prevent getting infected. We were to wear masks to protect others. A doctor being interviewed today repeated that. We were to wear masks to protect others. Now we are back to wearing them for our own protection even if we are vaccinated. I have notices that reports of the CDC recommendation seem to leave out the last half which is inside in high infection areas.
If the entire thing had not become political we would have better information but it has and we don't.
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Post by Chahta on Aug 2, 2021 14:23:33 GMT
So I checked with the hospital where my Pfizer shots were given. They know nothing about a booster or when/if it will be announced. They told me to wait for the CDC to announce booster rules.
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Post by uncleharley on Aug 2, 2021 16:54:00 GMT
The booster shot is being promoted by Pfizer only who also happens to be the only pharma co that has the booster vaccine. It is my belief that Pfizer is only promoting what is in their itnerests and we shall have to wait for FDA and others to approve the booster shot before us mortals can have one.
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Post by roi2020 on Aug 2, 2021 16:56:41 GMT
"The drugmaker Pfizer recently announced that vaccinated people are likely to need a booster shot to be effectively protected against new variants of covid-19 and that the company would apply for Food and Drug Administration emergency use authorization for the shot. Top government health officials immediately and emphatically announced that the booster isn’t needed right now — and held firm to that position even after Pfizer’s top scientist made his case and shared preliminary data with them last week."
"The booster is likely to be safe — hundreds of millions have taken the earlier shots — and Pfizer reported that it dramatically increases a vaccinated person’s antibodies against SARS-CoV-2. From that perspective, it may also be considered very effective. But does that kind of efficacy matter? Is a higher level of antibodies needed to protect vaccinated Americans? Though antibody levels may wane some over time, the current vaccines deliver perfectly good immunity so far."Link
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Post by Norbert on Aug 3, 2021 6:11:54 GMT
Israel has decided that older folks vaccinated over five months ago should get a booster shot. That's because they have seen increasing numbers of vaccinated individuals fall ill.
It appears that the vaccines have limited time efficacy; and that the vaccine is not as effective against certain new variants.
I understand that the Pfizer vaccine booster has been reengineered to better deal with the variants.
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Post by Chahta on Aug 3, 2021 12:55:12 GMT
Read today Greece is one country the CDC is warning people to stay away from.
This thing is getting crazy again. 20% of the new cases are unvaxed children under 12. A vaccine is needed there as well.
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Post by javajoe on Aug 19, 2021 22:38:39 GMT
How crazy that the CDC is having a public spat and outright dissagreement with the WHO about a global pandemic (in this case about boosters). What an unenviable job for anyone in public health right now..
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Post by Norbert on Aug 20, 2021 5:39:20 GMT
Read today Greece is one country the CDC is warning people to stay away from. ... I wonder why. New cases have been averaging 300 per million per day in Greece, but averaging 400 per million per day in the US. A higher percentage of the population has been fully vaccinated in Greece than in the US. N.
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Post by Norbert on Aug 20, 2021 8:12:38 GMT
How crazy that the CDC is having a public spat and outright dissagreement with the WHO about a global pandemic (in this case about boosters). What an unenviable job for anyone in public health right now.. Isn't the WHO just making what it considers to be an ethical point: the US shouldn't be planning for booster shots when most of the world hasn't even been vaccinated once? IMHO the best reply is that, of course, the entire world should be vaccinated. But, that's not possible today, regardless of what politicians say. So, research continues even as the virus mutates. We need a vaccine in pill form, easily manufactured, efficacious against any Corona virus mutation. Meanwhile, the situation is not perfect. That's life.
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Post by racqueteer on Aug 20, 2021 10:58:18 GMT
Read today Greece is one country the CDC is warning people to stay away from. ... I wonder why. New cases have been averaging 300 per million per day in Greece, but averaging 400 per million per day in the US. A higher percentage of the population has been fully vaccinated in Greece than in the US. N. 10 million vs. 330 million populations but similar cases per day maybe?
Also need to note that transmission is still an issue even if you are vaccinated - mucosal virus load vs. internal virus load. That, plus current vaccine doesn't prevent a milder infection; especially with Delta.
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Post by Norbert on Aug 20, 2021 12:42:15 GMT
I wonder why. New cases have been averaging 300 per million per day in Greece, but averaging 400 per million per day in the US. A higher percentage of the population has been fully vaccinated in Greece than in the US. N. 10 million vs. 330 million populations but similar cases per day maybe?
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As stated above, the figures I cited are PER MILLION. The total populations of the respective countries are therefore not relevant in the context of these stats. Don't worry. When I'm in a hurry to contradict some jackass like myself on the Internet, I also sometimes fail to read very carefully.
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Post by racqueteer on Aug 20, 2021 14:51:23 GMT
10 million vs. 330 million populations but similar cases per day maybe?
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As stated above, the figures I cited are PER MILLION. The total populations of the respective countries are therefore not relevant in the context of these stats. Don't worry. When I'm in a hurry to contradict some jackass like myself on the Internet, I also sometimes fail to read very carefully. Mea culpa; sorry Norbert. No excuse, but I was in a rush to get out and somehow missed the "per".
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